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looking for the best of both worlds in air hand gun

Discussion in 'Air Guns' started by stonebuster, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. stonebuster

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    I'm enjoying this new air gunning hobby. The first air gun I bought was a $28 Crosman "Phantom" for an entry level gun. The second was the Crosman SNR which was $68 at Walmart. Turns out the Dan Wesson 2.5 snub nose is made by Win gun same as the SNR except for the chrome look. They're identical. The price for the DW is at least twice that of the SNR I got. I love the replica look of the SNR and the swing out cylinder, finish, all metal, feel ect. I really like that revolver. However, the cheap "phantom" I got is more powerful, rated at up to 480fps, goes through a coffee can at 25 ft and is a lot more accurate. So next time I'm looking for an authentic looking replica air hand gun that is accurate and has good velocity. Happy with my choices so far but looking for some feedback from you more experienced guys for my next air hand gun.
     
  2. MedWheeler

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    The Gamo PT85 doesn't replicate any actual existing firearm, but it's roughly the size of a Beretta M92, though with more of a "Ruger-ish" look. It even has a fake ejection port. With CO2 also being used to cycle the slide, some velocity is lost, and the number of shots per CO2 capsule is reduced. But, it's a nice, straight-shooting DA/SA pistol. The cycling slide, when it hits the rear, even knocks the gun off target, requiring re-acquisition of the target, like with a real firearm.
     
  3. cobalt327

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    I don't have any real experience w/the realistic CO2 pistols out there other than the non blowback S&W/Umarex M&P 40, so take this for what it's worth. This isn't to say the replicas aren't accurate but it seems to me that the realistic guns are something of a compromise, at least when compared to guns like the Crosman 2240, 2300KT/2400KT and two CO2 repeaters from SPA, sold by mrodair: CP-1M and the Airmax Target Master II (besides being repeaters, they can also be converter into a carbines), to name just a few. These guns have adjustable sights, longer barrels, and due to no blowback they tend to be more efficient. The CP-1M is a screaming deal at $80 delivered ($100 w/3 magazines). The Crosmans can sometimes be had at good discounts, and they enjoy a TON of aftermarket support.

    But I've heard good things about the Tanfoglio Witness 1911, and many others are shown HERE. So plenty to choose from!

    Good luck.
     
  4. PainlessWolf

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    Good morning,
    CO2 handguns are like their gunpowder counterparts in that you need to find the 'load' that has the gun performing as good as it can. Five of my replica guns are single action revolvers. Three of those have longer barrels with better sight radius applied. I have a mix of pellet and steel shot\BB types in those. The rifled barreled models with the right pellet allow me to ring the targets all of the time. This is also true with a shorter, rifled barreled pellet shooting double action Nagant revolver by Gletcher. So for me, it has been rifled barrels fed with good quality pellets if I want real accuracy. The BB models are plenty accurate for tin cans and closer stuff.
    regards and don't forget to have fun!
     
  5. chicharrones
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    The trouble I have with many CO2 replica guns is that they are a compromise.

    The ones that don't have blowback have better velocity, but the single action triggers are just as heavy as double action trigger.

    The ones that have blowback have lighter single action triggers, but the gun moves off target during the blowback cycle, plus velocity is lost due to the blowback use of gas.

    The above is just my experience. Maybe some CO2 replica guns are made better now?
     
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    I have wondered about the single action triggers on the replica revolvers y'all mention. Are they much lighter than the double action triggers?

    Speaking of rifled barreled CO2 repeaters, I have a Gamo PT80 which is a replica of a Beretta Cougar. It's actually a revolver internally. But, it has air leakage from the air port to cylinder and from the cylinder to barrel. Plus the single action trigger is as heavy as the double action trigger. It's a fun gun, but it has enough compromises in its construction that it can't take advantage of its rifled barrel.
     
  7. PainlessWolf

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    Good evening,
    The models I have by Colt and Bear River and Remington are all made by RWS I believe ( could be wrong ) They are SAs and very good replicas of the real revolvers they copy. Heavy, well made and balanced nicely. The triggers are smooth and break crisply at pressures similar to my real Black Powder revolvers. I am satisfied with them.
    regards!
     
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    chicharrones writes:

    I consider this a positive, actually. All of my firearms move off target when fired, requiring target re-acquisition after the shot. Having my air pistol, which simulates a firearm, do the same thing only adds to the realism.

    But, yes, it does make the gun pound through gas a lot faster.
     
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    A quite powerful and accurate replica is the full sized Desert Eagle. With it's power and blow back action it's co2 hog. It will destroy coke cans much farther away than you can depend on even hitting one with the bb shooters. I have Colt SAA, Dan Wesson, and 1911 bb replicas and enjoy shooting them but the DE blows them away in both accuracy and power. It will consume over twice the co2 for the same number of shots though.
     
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    What I didn't elaborate clearly was that the blowback airguns I've had experience with seem to be moving the slide at the same time the pellet or bb gets air pressure. Which means that the BB is still in the barrel when the slide starts to move.
     
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    ^^ Oh, okay. I thought you were saying the gun was hard to shoot accurately because of the cycling slide. My experience has been that the gun doesn't come off target until the slide hits the rear-most position and, judging by the accuracy I've seen in my particular gun, that occurs after the pellet is out. I'll try to pay closer attention to it the next time I have it out, and I'll try it against my other Gamo (the PT80 you also have), which doesn't have the "blowback" feature and see if I can tell the difference. I've not yet shot the PT80.
     
  12. stonebuster

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    I want an accurate good shooter that's not a gas hog. I can appreciate the authenticity angle but not at the expense of accuracy or excessive CO2 use. I'm enjoying this new hobby because it seems to help me in certain aspects of my shooting in regards specifically with my follow through and trigger control. Equally important to me is it's so inexpensive and convenient and fun to shoot at home. I'm not looking for a blow back gun at this point due to the extra gas necessary unless other aspects of the gun make it worth the extra gas. I want to stick to a semi auto pellet or bb hand gun with good power(480fps) since I don't have the space to utilize a rifle. This may change when I move more rural and hopefully have a few acres to work with. My price line is around $100 or a little more if I find something I really like. Thanks, I'm learning a lot about air guns here.
     
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    “s. I want to stick to a semi auto pellet or bb hand gun with good power(480fps) since I don't have the space to utilize a rifle.”
    A semi auto with that kind of velocity is probably going to be a gas hog.
     
  14. stonebuster

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    Hi Pete, How I came up with that 480fps number was judging from the inexpensive Crosman p-10 bb gun I bought for $29. It's max is advertised to be 480fps. I have no way to measure what it's velocity actually is but it goes through a coffee can at 25ft. and goes through both sides of beer can without knocking it over. It's fairly accurate at 50 ft. I get about sixty shots before I notice accuracy dropping off. I bought the Crosman SNR rated at up to 400fps and it's not nearly as powerful unable to penetrate that same coffee can with bbs at the same distance with fresh cartridge. The cheap plastic $29 P-10 with it's misfires and other issues you might expect is more accurate and more powerful than the $68 SNR. The SNR looks feels and functions like the real deal but doesn't perform as well as the P-10 when it comes to power, accuracy and range.
     
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    I'm guessing the MV if measured w/a chronograph would be closer to 400 fps.
     
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    Your right Cobalt. Replica air guns tested it at 417fps average of 10 string of shots although it varied quite a bit. (463fps high-392fps low)
     
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    The MV might tighten up at least some and the MV may increase a little to boot by using Avanti BBs, but they're expensive for a steel BB (I like them in my hot-rodded Daisy 499). FWIW, in my other BB guns I mostly shoot Daisy zinc plated BBs from Walmart, they're very good for a budget BB.
     

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