Hanzo581
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I find that comment offensive. He came in looking for a home defense rifle but then starts talking about needing to hit things "a couple hundred yards away"....so maybe he went to the same high school the rest of us did.
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I find that comment offensive. He came in looking for a home defense rifle but then starts talking about needing to hit things "a couple hundred yards away"....so maybe he went to the same high school the rest of us did.
KodiakBeer
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Good on you for helping your disabled pal out.
In my experience, the SKS is much more accurate than the AK. I don't mean intrinsic accuracy which might vary according to the rifle, but usable real-world accuracy. The SKS is just easier to shoot well.
In my experience, the SKS is much more accurate than the AK. I don't mean intrinsic accuracy which might vary according to the rifle, but usable real-world accuracy. The SKS is just easier to shoot well.
Zerodefect
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Let me get this straight:
-HD
-long gun
-low recoil
-lightweight
-cheaper than a flat tire
-good for mildly disabled use
Deosn't that limit him to a Saiga in .223??? This thread was over before it began, that's why so many are recommending another path entirely. Although my 5.56 carbines I have, push the smaller women and older guys around quite a bit. Not much recoil, but it's still annoying to them.
Deos he allready have a small pistol? Like a Walther in .380??? Those are really easy to shoot.That's where I'd start, I can get to my rifle if needed, but my CCW is allready on my hip.
-HD
-long gun
-low recoil
-lightweight
-cheaper than a flat tire
-good for mildly disabled use
Deosn't that limit him to a Saiga in .223??? This thread was over before it began, that's why so many are recommending another path entirely. Although my 5.56 carbines I have, push the smaller women and older guys around quite a bit. Not much recoil, but it's still annoying to them.
Deos he allready have a small pistol? Like a Walther in .380??? Those are really easy to shoot.That's where I'd start, I can get to my rifle if needed, but my CCW is allready on my hip.
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Hanzo581
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Did you just recommend a pistol? Watch out!
DANGERRUSS
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Go with the Saiga. It is a real Russian AK in a nutered form. I would get it in 7.62x39, Denuter for normal mags and never look back. I have a Saiga in .308 and 12ga and they are great guns. I also have an Wsar and a Bulgy AK and have left the SKS years ago. The AK is a better defense rifle.(IMHO)
AKElroy
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Thanks for that -- We all needed to be apologized for, for making such an embarassing mess out of this thread. What were we thinking....................Oh, maybe that the OP solicited OPINION?
We home school, so maybe my progeny will have better luck meeting your approval.
lobo9er
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sks
lucky-gunner
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Saiga 7.62x39
If you have the equipment it's not a hard conversion at all. I think the Saiga in 7.62x39mm would be your best bet, given the price range. Modifications can be made a pace his wallet can handle and then he'll have a AK that fits the role he needs it to fill.
If you have the equipment it's not a hard conversion at all. I think the Saiga in 7.62x39mm would be your best bet, given the price range. Modifications can be made a pace his wallet can handle and then he'll have a AK that fits the role he needs it to fill.
TheAmplifiedsoul
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I also agree with the Saiga 7.62x39mm.
I do agree that, while the OP's motivation is sound, he appeared to have already had his mind made when he started the thread. Personally, since he already has a handgun, one *might* even consider a H&R handi-rifle in. 223. Useful for 200-meter varmints, lightweight, little recoil. Under $400.
Shawn Dodson
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It depends on the definition of "home defense" rifle.
If you intend to use it inside your home against intruders then I suggest 5.56/.223 because tests have shown it penetrates fewer numbers walls.
If you intend to use it for what I call an "Emergency Preparedness Rifle" to defend your home and family in the event law and order breaks down in your area due to some kind of disaster or civil insurrection, then I suggest 7.62x39mm for its superior ability, with inexpensive ammunition. to penetrate light barrier materials (specifically automobiles).
To achieve the same level of "barrier blind" performance with 5.56/.223 you have to purchase expensive ammunition.
I believe 7.62x39mm is the best choice for an Emergency Preparedness Rifle. It offers greater capability for less cost than 5.56/.223.
Good luck with your choice!
If you intend to use it inside your home against intruders then I suggest 5.56/.223 because tests have shown it penetrates fewer numbers walls.
If you intend to use it for what I call an "Emergency Preparedness Rifle" to defend your home and family in the event law and order breaks down in your area due to some kind of disaster or civil insurrection, then I suggest 7.62x39mm for its superior ability, with inexpensive ammunition. to penetrate light barrier materials (specifically automobiles).
To achieve the same level of "barrier blind" performance with 5.56/.223 you have to purchase expensive ammunition.
I believe 7.62x39mm is the best choice for an Emergency Preparedness Rifle. It offers greater capability for less cost than 5.56/.223.
Good luck with your choice!
millertyme
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I think a Kel-Tec Sub2k would be the best option if pistol calibers are okand recoil issues are present. One of those or the Hi-Point carbines seem to fall into the price range.
SSN Vet
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get the Saiga and don't look back.
make sure you get a 16" barrel model.
convert it some day when $ is available.... it's really easy to do.
+1 for 7.62x39
make sure you get a 16" barrel model.
convert it some day when $ is available.... it's really easy to do.
+1 for 7.62x39
Gordon
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All though I have plenty east european pre ban AKs on hand I could not pass up a $350 Saiga .223 to play with (with a grand daughter teen in mind) . I like the stock as is thank you, I did change the feed block out for a AR mag conversion with feed ramps for $130 and some dremel time. This gun has been 100% for 1000+ rounds so far and I can shoot the cheapest Wolf .223 finally (the ARs don't like it!) and I am a happy camper! BTW as you know fmj .223 breaks up on close range impact and is very effective for HD IMHO.
Sebastian the Ibis
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That is a good price.
Modifying a Saiga to take regular AK mags is a two step process. (1) install the bullet guide. (2)(a) file down the front of the mag and the latch at the back of the mag to match the 5rndr that comes with it. (2)(b) open the magwell to take high caps. If you are modifying it for highcaps it has to be 922(r) compliant, so you will need to find a new trigger group, and stock set at minimum to make it legal.
If you are not going to shoot the rifle much just spend $30 on a good surefire saiga high-cap mag, and be done with it.
Kachok
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If you do go the 7.62x39 route DO NOT GET FMJ ROUNDS! Those jokers will go through everything in the neighborhood, they shoot through trees, siding and sheetrock an like butter to a 123gr FMJ. Wolf makes a nice 122gr hollow point that not only will make a mess of any attacker but will flatten out to the size quarter and shed all their energy before killing any neighbors. They expand very nicley I know a few guys that use them for deer hunting.
Kachok
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Oh and the 7.62x39 has way more stopping power then any 223 round ask any of us ex military guys or hunters, we have seen it first hand. Bigger caliber means bigger hole, means more blood loss, means quicker dead bad guy. Hydrostatic shock is not a myth, but it is no substatute for a bigger heavier chunk of lead fragmenting into vital organs. I want a FAL .308 loaded with 125 gr Ballistic tip for my home defence, in my wildest dream I could never imagine even a strung out PCP junkie getting up after one shot of that. The soft tissue damage would be unreal.
/me raises his hand...
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