Other "Assault Rifles" Besides AR/AK?

[Maverick223]

Everybody forget about this one ?

No, see suggestion 2 in post no. 3.

 

[mortablunt]

I'm assuming that you're considering 308 to be a full sized battle round.

There is the:

VZ58
Sig 556
Rec-7
STG-44
SKS
QBZ-95
Mini-14
Saiga
Steyr AUG
HK G36

 

[Justin]

The very small number of modern STG44s that are made each year are rare as hen's teeth and stupidly expensive, and that's before you factor in cost of ammo and accessories.

There is no such thing as a civilian-legal or even importable QBZ95, since it's a military rifle made in China.

Likewise, you cannot import an actual G36, unless you have a license to deal in NFA guns.


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[Coal Dragger]

Of all the non AK/AR auto loading military rifles I have handled I have to say my favorite from a features, and quality standpoint has to be the new FN SACR 17. Good folding stock with adjustable cheek rise, good adjustable flip up sights that are more refined than some of the primary sights on other rifles, interchangeable barrels with adjustable gas regulation, and reliable piston operation. Plus the rifle is ready for all sorts of optics and other gear to be mounted if needs be. The down side is $$$, but if I had to pick one to use for just about everything including fighting (glad I don't have to anymore!) that would be the one.

I do wish they had a better stock trigger in them though.

 

[mortablunt]

Likewise, you cannot import an actual G36, unless you have a license to deal in NFA guns.

Who said anything about getting NFA firearms? A semiauto clone is enough.

There is no such thing as a civilian-legal or even importable QBZ95, since it's a military rifle made in China.

Not according to Wikipedia

Civilian Variants
Two sporterized, semi-automatic only rifles based upon the QBZ-97A assault rifle and the QBZ-97B assault carbine have been developed for the civilian market, the Type 97 rifle and the Type 97A carbine. They are chambered for the .223 Remington cartridge and are fed by STANAG magazines.[16][17]

 

[Moose458]

VZ-58 hands down. They also come in wood furniture.

 

[JustinJ]

Likewise, you cannot import an actual G36, unless you have a license to deal in NFA guns.

This is true. However, an SL8 can be converted one of two ways. The first, and easiest, is to use a stock block. The second, which is much more difficult and expensive, is to plastic weld the stock from a demoed G36. If you go the latter route pay somebody to do it. Either way the conversion is very expensive and one should do plenty of research. Some people have done some really great conversions though and created very authentic guns. The G36 is an extremely modular platform.

 

[happygeek]

H&K must make their MR556 and MR762 stateside, they don't look like they'd fit the BATFE's "sporting" requirement for imports. Why don't they make the SL8-6 stateside so it can come in G36 configuration? Not enough demand to cover setting up production here?

 

[Justin]

Who said anything about getting NFA firearms? A semiauto clone is enough.

The closest thing to a semi-auto clone of the HK G36 is the HK SL8, a rifle that's fairly rare, commands the monetary premium that all HKs demand, and uses proprietary and expensive magazines.

Civilian Variants
Two sporterized, semi-automatic only rifles based upon the QBZ-97A assault rifle and the QBZ-97B assault carbine have been developed for the civilian market, the Type 97 rifle and the Type 97A carbine. They are chambered for the .223 Remington cartridge and are fed by STANAG magazines.[16][17]

Hm. I didn't know that they made a semi-auto version. Regardless, it's doubtful that the guns are importable into the United States as most self-loading military-style guns from China have been prohibited from importation due to an Executive Order that was passed by Bush senior.

If you go the latter route pay somebody to do it. Either way the conversion is very expensive and one should do plenty of research. Some people have done some really great conversions though and created very authentic guns. The G36 is an extremely modular platform.

Any idea what those conversions run? I remember reading posts from a guy who did that a few years back, and, as you state, I got the impression that it was incredibly expensive.

 

[JustinJ]

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If you go the latter route pay somebody to do it. Either way the conversion is very expensive and one should do plenty of research. Some people have done some really great conversions though and created very authentic guns. The G36 is an extremely modular platform.

Any idea what those conversions run? I remember reading posts from a guy who did that a few years back, and, as you state, I got the impression that it was incredibly expensive.

I priced one a while back and it was going to break $3K easy. The stock block alone is $350 but paying somebody to plastic weld it will be ever more. I for one didn't feel comfortable cutting up the stock of a $2000 gun. I instead decided to do a USC to UMP conversion.

On a side note there is a STANAG magazine well adapter available for the G36 but i've heard they can be problematic.

 

[valnar]

VZ-58 hands down. They also come in wood furniture.

I'm all ears.

 

[Maverick223]

I'm all ears.

The D-Technik SA vz.58 is imported to the US in fiv basic configurations (excluding the low-capacity, CA legal models): two versions of what the Czech's refer to as "the scythe" (vz.58V, folding stock model). Both with a folding steel stock, one having wood impregnated polymer forearm and pistol grip and the other with polymer forearm and grip. One model with a skeletonized polymer stock matching furniture. As well as two variants of what the Czech's call "the paddle" (vz.58P, fixed stock). One with wood impregnated polymer furniture and a rarer version with wood furniture. I don't believe that the latter version is still being imported, but don't know that it was discontinued either.

Here is a good site to visit for more information.

 

[Maple_City_Woodsman]

A few that I don't believe have been mentioned yet:

* Beretta RX4
* FN F2000
* Armalite AR180

 

[JustinJ]

I didn't think the Beretta RX4 was available in the US except in the MR1 version from Benelli? I thought i also read that you have to remove the flash hider in order to break down the gun if one is installed?

 

[ifit]

the vz58 wood stock, i remember 07 or 08 dan from czechpoint brought in only a handful of original wood stocks which were refinished(stained) and sold, since then i dont think they ever imported them with wooden stocks. as for the cia vz2008 some came with original wood stocks un-finished, i beleive from vz58 armorers chest rigs, and once they ran out the stuck on the red polymer/wood set

 

[Maple_City_Woodsman]

I didn't think the Beretta RX4 was available in the US except in the MR1 version from Benelli?

Split hairs if you want.

 

[valnar]

I'm aware they used to come with wood furniture.

 

[JustinJ]

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I didn't think the Beretta RX4 was available in the US except in the MR1 version from Benelli?

Split hairs if you want.

That minor detail may be just a little important to a person interested in buying one.

 

[Maverick223]

I'm aware they used to come with wood furniture.

FWIW I believe IWD makes replacement stocks for the vz.58.

 

[VirgilCaine]

There is also the Galil.

 

[JustinJ]

Are there any aftermarket rails or other accessories available for the Daewoos?

 

[Maverick223]

Are there any aftermarket rails or other accessories available for the Daewoos?

Don't know about forearm rails (IIRC there was someone using modified FAL handuards a while back, but I don't know much about the work entailed), but optics rails are available for the receiver (and they don't obscure the sights).