My friend sm is the only advocate of stockless shotguns who has a wagon load of empty hulls behind him, and then only for use under special circumstances like armored car guards.
Dave,
Thanks for the kind words.
Folks,
I basically hate Pistol Grip Only and Pistol Grip fore ends.
They limit the effectiveness and versatility of a shotgun for what all I feel is shotgun is the best tool for the job for.
Now allow me to toss out some facts.
There are periods of my life, all I did was eat, sleep, breath and live shotguns.
It was no big deal to shoot 3000 rds in a week.
There are times if one looked onto a private range, they would have thought a New York Fashion show was going on with ladies and gents dressed as they were with shotguns and other firearms.
There are other times folks would have thought criminals were on the loose, or a bunch of hippies were out there.
A new Sheriff Deputy will be told to holster his gun by a seasoned Deputy in meeting some folks , for the first time, on a private range.
We looked that rough, ladies and gents alike.
Serious business!
I start folks out with the correct basic fundamentals - Period!
Full stock, bone stock shotguns and we get these down using dummy shells, primer only, and light target loads.
Then if the PGO is the tool for a armored guard, Undercover Cop, Alaskan Bush Pilot, or similar, we work up to those PGOs and guns.
Bush Pilots do have a legit use for PGOs for example, weight is a serious consideration on those small planes they have take off and land in some pretty scary locations.
Safety is paramount, and the Bush Pilot is going to wear that PGO slung from the second he gets out of that plane until he takes off again.
He, or she, is going to make sure the clients can fish, and he /she will be watching for bears.
There is but one load used, slugs.
These PGOs are bone stock, and have slings, you never remove the gun, it always stays on person.
Reality is Real, Dave, myself and others are aware of this.
My deal is, I am familiar with settings and tasks that do best with PGOs.
I, we hated the things, still the setting and tasks dictated what was best.
The lady and gent are dressed real nice in expensive clothes custom tailored and fitted and there is a PGO under that nice expensive coat.
That is a real Bently, Rolls Royce, or Limo Armored Car made by Armbruster's out of Fort Smith, AR, the same folks that make these the President, Vice President, Heads of State, and folks all over the world.
Contrast with the former Marine, Ranger, Israeli Defense Force, New Zealand Military, ...looking like a bunch of low life criminals, thugs, disgruntled Vietnam Vets with a PGO under a jacket or in the "Jesus Bus", Muscle Car, Ford Maverick with a straight six, and three speed on the column , no air conditioning...
WE 'hippies" distracted so the nice couple could leave with no problems.
Three point plan, with the US Marshalls, Sheriff, State Boys, in uniform and plainclothes.
I was the "stopper in the bottle", of all the PGOs, Issued full stock Police and Riot Shotguns, Mattel Plastic black rifles...
I had a Gov't Model of 1911 bone stock, USGI 7 rd mag, with 230 gr hardball, a .44 magnum with hot LSWC, and Model 94 in 30-30 with 170 grainers.
"I hate them PGOs, I may assist with 'em and yeah I "can" run one, but I ain't and won't use one for this dance, I got my dancing gals so lets blow this pop stand!".
I often was by myself doing stuff. I had the nasty anti gubmit posters in my truck bed.
I look good being a long haired obnoxious hippie freak with hair in pony tail, jeans, Dingo Boots , Tazmanian Devil cartoon T shirt and open Army field shirt with peace signs, "oink oink" , and all sorts of "anti establishment" slogans.
Perceptions...
