Low recoil 9mm

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Trent said:
I need to find something I can shoot all day, without breaking myself, for practice
My range session averages 300-500+. I have my loads dialed in so I can hold a pen on Monday morning at work without any issues. Even with "snappy" 40S&W, I can produce low recoil loads with W231/HP-38 to allow me to work comfortably with a pen without sore hand on Monday. :D

The soft recoiling W231/HP-38/Promo loads are especially popular with older shooters with arthritis and female shooters. The 180 gr TCFP 40S&W load with 4.0 gr W231/HP-38 and 200 gr SWC 45ACP load with 4.0 gr Promo allow female shooters to enjoy shooting without heavy recoil issues.
 
Trent, I'm not sure I agree with you about how fast pistol powder it. If it all burned up within the first inch or so, why do you still get muzzle flash at night? why would you get more muzzle velocity out of a longer barrel than a shorter one? (ex: 38spl out of a rifle barrel vs a pistol)
 
Tried N320 at 3.9 and 4.1. The 4.1 I think is what we are going with.
 
Yep, 3.9 to 4.1 will do the trick in most guns. All depends on the actual bullet, and OAL makes a big difference. The 2011 Vihtavuori PDF shows 4.0 to 4.3 as max with different 124/5 Gr bullets.
 
Trent, I'm not sure I agree with you about how fast pistol powder it. If it all burned up within the first inch or so, why do you still get muzzle flash at night? why would you get more muzzle velocity out of a longer barrel than a shorter one? (ex: 38spl out of a rifle barrel vs a pistol)

You get muzzle flash on handguns because the powder is still under incredible pressures, it's a very hot, very high pressure gas. Bullseye, Unique, etc will be fully burnt by the time the bullet is out of a 1.5" barrel.

A charge of Unique in 38 special shot out of a 3" barrel is going to have a heck of a lot more flash than a rifle, because the gas is still under tremendous pressure at the time it exits the muzzle, compared to a 16" rifle. The gas pressure on a rifle has dropped MASSIVELY by the time that bullet exits the muzzle. Now, switch to a slower burning powder like Blue Dot, and you'll see something entirely different; traces (streaks) of unburnt powder out of the 3" barrel, and a bigger flash out of the 16" barrel.

Slower burning pistol powders on shorter barreled guns will show streaks (sometimes visible in daylight) which is powder still burning. Blue Dot and 3N38, for instance, will show nifty little "traces" when shot from 3" or shorter barrels - THAT is powder that's still burning. A little more impressive at night.

On larger magnum rifles, particularly 50 BMG, this effect is even more pronounced and the streaks burn longer. (I can see them very clearly in daylight when shooting my DShK, just as you see in the photo below, taken over in Syria):

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Seems this thread has devolved some.
To get back to the OP's question ...

My go-to load is 4.1 gr of Tite Group under a 124 gr Berry's.
(Berry's recommends low to mid jacketed data - 4.1 is min according to Hodgdon)

Very soft shooting in a full-size 9mm, but still cycles the gun.
A bit energetic in a Kel-tec PF9 (small-very light weight)
 
I put 4.3gr of 231 under a PD 124gr FMJ. It is very accurate in both my XD9sc and my SR9 and my wife can shoot them all day with no complaints. Your results may vary. Always independently verify your loads.

Scott

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