I just finished cleaning my Optima, i shoot almost excluesivly saboted bullets in it. i really never gave it much thought, except a month or so ago, i made up a batch of ed's red + solvent. while reading about it and the ingrediants, i remembered seeing in it that the acetone was for removing plastic shot shell wads, which made me think of the muzzle loader. so after the regular cleaning, i noticed that there were some tight spots still in the barrel when running a clean patch through it. i got out the acetone, and went to work scrubbing it out. but, that got me thinking about lubing the sabots with regular b.p. patch lube (i happen to have a tube of T/C Bore Butter here that i use for long term storage) to reduce the plastic fouling in the barrel. i dont mind cleaning guns, but anything i can do to make it easier is seldom a bad thing. i remember lubing a few at one of my practice sessions to see if they would load easier. it does. but i never did it on a regular basis. i guess i was erring on the cautious side of reducing the burnable power charge. i can not imagine that a glop of this stuff would do a compacted powder charge any good at all. has anyone ever tried doing this on a regular basis? would you do it on a hunting load? i also thought about running a patch that had a small amount of bore butter on it after the bullet/sabot was in place. but i think that might raise pressures to a dangerous point. and i hate pain, and despise hospitals!