M1 Carbine ABORTION! *vomit* (pic)

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i don't care for the way the carbine looks, but it isn't my gun, and i don't care what someone else does w/ their gun.

as far as sporting mausers and such, i'm all for it. i'm not drying up your supply of cheap, ugly guns, you're drying up my supply of diamonds in the rough.

taking a mauser and turning it into a savage-esque rifle isn't my idea of a properly done sporterizing job, however, it is the first baby step towards creating fine rifles. it is a lot of work, but gratifying.
 
as far as sporting mausers and such, i'm all for it. i'm not drying up your supply of cheap, ugly guns, you're drying up my supply of diamonds in the rough.
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I have yet to see a sporterized rifle that looked better than a well used original. Wanna make pieces of art? Plenty of barreled actions lying around, and plenty of trees in the woods. No need to destroy good, beautiful milsurps. You can always make a sporter. You can't ever make an original Swede mauser again.

You'll have a very hard time making this rifle more beautiful than it already is. And it can shoot very well as-is, why would you chop it up?

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Which is worse:

A sporterized gun that gets shot/hunted with on a regular basis

or

An all orignal gun sitting unused and forgotted in a closet

If i were an old soldier I would like to think that someone was making some use of my rifle rather than simply letting it collect dust.
 
I dunno...

I saw a "sporterized" Garand once- that was uuuuuggggly. But the same place had a (shudder) "sporterized" Johnson rifle. That was... unspeakable.

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yeager, my problem is not with guns that were sporterized years ago and actively used as deer/target guns, because money was tight and surplus guns were orders cheaper than even the cheapest commercial rifles, but with the people today who feel that no surplus gun is worth saving.

If the only way it is going to be shot by you is if you chop it up, sell it to a collector and go buy an already sporterized one to chop up to your hearts content.

And my recent anger at the prices is after seeing what good, unmessed with 03 stocks go for. Sporterized stocks all day long for $15-20, nothing original 'till around the $80 mark for one worse than what I have now.
 
I feel confilcted when it comes to sporterized military rifles. I would never do anything like what is shown in that picture, but its not my rifle. I can understand the reasoning behind sporterizing a cheap, nondescript Mauser or Enfield into hunting a rifle, but M1 Carbines are not cheap anymore. When I see that picture I cannot help but think that he tried to turn his M1 Carbine into a Ruger Mini 14, and that is sad.
 
hahahahahaha! I was thinking to myself, "What no laser?" then I scrolled to the right. :barf:
 
I sporterized my 91/30. No harm done...I think it actually improved the asthetics and it proves I can be a soulless SOB. Is there anyone out there who would pay me not to put a pistol-grip :barf: on my .30-40 Krag Carbine?
 
Prolly ought to make a law, huh?

In all seriousness, save your emotions for your kids and family, they are worth it. This kind of stuff isn't. I suppose if he'd done it to YOUR carbine, or maybe even the LAST carbine, emotion would be warranted. Until then, it isn't. If you've done all the important things in life and solved all the real problems, and still find yourself with emotion to spare on this kind of stuff, maybe you need to go back to man school.

All insults aside, I would have left it alone...... :evil:
 
Would I do that? Nope.
Does it look like it can be undone? yep.
Does the owner like it? probably.

Maybe he just can't afford an AR :p
 
To all you milsurp purists - if you expect non-gun folks to stop trying to tell you what to do with your guns, why do you think that you can tell other gun owners what to do with their guns? If you expect others to respect your decisions vis-a-vis what guns to own and what to do with them, why will you not show the same courtesy in return?

Y'all just slay me.... :banghead:
 
MY opinion of this rifle:
Looks like crap, shameful waste of a battle proven warrior. Would I ever do this to MY own firearms......NO

But this is not my rifle, to each his own I guess. If this makes the rifle fun to shoot for the owner, more power to him. If it was a perfect world this rifle would still be in original condition but if it was a perfect world we wouldn't have idiots trying to take our guns.

One thing I have noticed as far as a sporterized weapon, is that some people will like it and others hate it. You can never make everyone happy.

I am an anti sporterizer. But I'm only going to try and educate people on the loss of history, loss of value everytime you pick up that hacksaw to "shorten the barrel so it shoots better". What you ultimately do is your choice.

If you think the supply of these rifles is endless, look back 40 years when 1903 were sold for 20 dollars and there seemed like an endless supply. Krags were abundant and cheap. This is no longer the case.

Those "non-descript" Mausers, Mosin Nagants and Enfield will one day dry up, and the unaltered ones that I have will be worth double or triple what your sporterized one will. It doesnt matter that you spent 200 dollars to have a gunsmith do the mods. Those mods made mine worth more money.

But like I said, to each his own, cut yours up if it makes you happy, Im keeping mine original. Its all about personal preference.
 
Remington 597s and HiPoint carbines shouldn't be allowed to mate with eachother :barf:

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I think I'll breathe some new life into this swede by putting on one of them tacticool black ATI stocks, cut the barrel down a bit, cut the bolt hand and bolt it back on with a ATI bolt kit, mount a laser and a tasco scope, maybe a flashlight too. Someone 50 years from now will surely appreciate my workmanship on what will then be a 150 year old rifle and will wish that they could be as cool as I was.

This rifle is almost worthless and outdated in its current form, except for shooting high scores in military rifle matches. :rolleyes:
 

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To all you milsurp purists - if you expect non-gun folks to stop trying to tell you what to do with your guns, why do you think that you can tell other gun owners what to do with their guns? If you expect others to respect your decisions vis-a-vis what guns to own and what to do with them, why will you not show the same courtesy in return?
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Good taste goes beyond guns. I agree that the owner has the right to do what they want to them, but I feel the same way about a chopped relic as I do about a person who chops a '55 corvette to build a barely drivable flourescent pink with flames 'street rod' from it. :barf:

I think I'll go find an original 'Brown Bess' right now and mount it in a plastic pistol grip stock, with a fiberglass cleaning rod, drill and tap the barrel for a scope and make me a real deer gitter out of it.
 
But when do any of us have the right to become the fashion police?

We all do, in our own way, of course. I'm not suggesting that we somehow find a way to sublimate human nature. What I am suggesting is we need to be careful about NOT crossing that line between privately thinking 'barf' and berating/belittling anyone who does something that we consider to be in bad taste.
 
I can understand what you are talking about with that, but how do you know that isn't one of the new knock off M-1 Carbines? Maybe it is one that was only a shooter.
I can't fault a guy for taking a gun and making it work for him.
It has been done ever since some clown got his paws on a Brown Bess and decided that the barrel was too long to be handy (I have no proof but I am sure that this must have happened).
My first rifle was a hack job SMLE. It needs a buttstock, but I have decided to keep it a hackjob rather than restoring it. The action is faster than any other I have ever found and much more durable. The gun itself can withstand abuse that would destroy a new sporting rifle.
It cost my dad $79 when I was 13.
It is perfect for what it was intended for and I still hunt with it.
I love the old milsurps. I personally wouldn't butcher an M-1 Carbine, Garand, Enfield, M-39 or anything else, but sometimes you have to work with what you got.
I got a hackjob and I work with it. ;)
 
But when do any of us have the right to become the fashion police?
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When someone has the guts to post their frankenstein rifle on the internet, and someone on THR finds it.

What I am suggesting is we need to be careful about NOT crossing that line between privately thinking 'barf' and berating/belittling anyone who does something that we consider to be in bad taste.
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If someone was telling dirty jokes in church would that be illegal? No. Would it be in bad taste? yes. Would I berate them? You bet. ;)
 
If someone was telling dirty jokes in church would that be illegal? No. Would it be in bad taste? yes. Would I berate them? You bet.
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Guns are not in the same league as a house of worship. At least I hope not...... :scrutiny:
 
Prolly ought to make a law, huh?
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That's what I'm reading and that is one heck of a slippery slope to those that think it through. IMO the best thing that can happen is to get as many of the mil-surps imported ASAP before the UN types bubba them with a cutting torch. Some will be "saved" and left in the original condition. Others will be modded for a variety of reasons, but they have the possibly of being restoration projects.

If you want to see where "a law" could lead, read this story about bees in an older house "protected" by historical preservation laws.
Wouldn't it be fun to own a "protected" rifle? :barf:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/84-06012005-496816.html
http://www.wkbn.com/Global/story.asp?S=3412535&nav=2QEr81Al
 
There was a time when USGI M1 Carbines were $20, and common as dirt.

A lesson for those who say, "it's only a $80 Mosin-Nagant".
 
First thought is if it's a Kharbine well why not?


On the last comment about the Nagants. Just buy one of the 44 38 or 59(?) carbines. They make fine hunters as they are. ;)
 
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