m1 carbine shoots low

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I was out shooting my new to me CMP m1 carbine (yay!) and I quickly noticed it shot way low and right. not a problem, bump the rear sight left and raise the peep. The problem is, to shoot point of aim at 50 yards, I have to raise the peep all the way. now, it works, but not the way it is supposed to. I know I could file the front sight down, but I hate to do that to something collectible/historical. anybody have any great thoughts? I'm shooting the aguila cmp sold ammo.
 
I might have it looked at, I would also try a couple of different kinds of ammo.

I have a great Inland, but I have always said that if I got another one that was hammered, I would choke up a couple of hundred to send it to Fulton Armory for a new set of springs, a barrel, and a checkup.
 
Before filing anything, check to be sure the rifle is sitting in the stock correctly, that all screws are torqued correctly and that there isn't something rubbing, pressing or otherwise interfering with something. Also check the Check to see if the rear sight is the correct one and that it's mounted properly. If the front sight is too tall, see if there is a shorter replacement available rather than file it down
 
Since just about all the CMP carbines have been rebuilt at least once, and are mixmasters, it would not be unusual for the front sight to have been replaced...maybe it was zeroed correctly, maybe not. I would try different ammo, first. I am assuming you know what you are doing on the sighting end, but I have met a few people who were unfamiliar with GI apertures. Checking how the action is sitting in the stock, and the tightness of the screws are good suggestions.
Finally, after all that, there would be nothing wrong with a little light filing on the front sight.
With my Inland's rear sight set on 100yds, it shoots directly to POA at that range. Yours should too.
 
I know I could file the front sight down, but I hate to do that to something collectible/historical.

The M1 Carbine was basically designed to have the front sight filed down to zero it. You will not hurt it's collectibility.

Don
 
The M1 Carbine was basically designed to have the front sight filed down to zero it. You will not hurt it's collectibility.

True.............but file it slowly checking POI often. Front sight blades aren't that expensive, but they are kinda hard to replace.

If you file it too far, build it up with JB weld, and file it to where you need it.
 
Well I tried some older american eagle ammo I had laying around and it printed in about the same place as the aguila. my wife shot it and it shot low for her to. I am not super familiar with peeps, but don't you put the top of the front post in the center of the aperture?

I've tried the gun in 2 stocks (one a synthetic) one cmp. I drop the stock in, tighten the screws tight, but not strip the screw tight. The front sight post does not appear to ever have been filed or reblued or anything.
 
I installed a brand new USGI sight on my carbine and had to file it to get it to zero. Its how they were made. Yours may have been replaced and never sighted in.
It doesnt take much filing, take just alittle at at time, shoot and check impact
 
Please don't take this the wrong way, but how much experience do you have with peep-type combat sights? You might just need a little more practice with them, they're kind of odd to get used to. At least for me anyway.
 
Here ya go, a good read :

ZEROING PROBLEMS WITH THE M1 CARBINE ADJUSTABLE REAR
SIGHT
Casual carbine shooters are frequently perplexed by the fact that the yardage graduations on
the adjustable rear sight usually don’t work properly. With the aperture set at a known
distance, the carbine will shoot either high or low. This is a frustrating characteristic of
most M1 Carbines.
With the exception of late production Inland and Winchester carbines, the vast majority of
M1 Carbines were initially assembled with the two-position “leaf” (or “flip”) rear sight.
The front sight blade was intentionally made too tall, and was then filed down to the proper
height during targeting at the factory. (The Irwin-Pedersen Company was the exception,
using an assortment of front sights with blades of different height; hence the numbers
found stamped on the side.)
The Ordnance Department’s Modification Work Order for installation of the adjustable rear
sight on already-issued carbines, dated 11 September 1944, states: “Carbines should be
targeted if facilities exist and time permits. If facilities do not exist for targeting, the
organization should be instructed to zero the carbine and target it on the range. The weapon
will generally shoot low after installation of the new rear sight, in which case the front sight
should be filed for zero at 100 yards with the rear sight set at the 100 yards setting. The top
of the front sight may then be blackened by painting with lusterless black synthetic enamel.
If the weapon shoots high with rear sight at 100 yard setting, weapon should be sent to
base shop for replacement of front sight.”
Overseas “field replacement” of the “flip” rear sight with the adjustable rear sight began
during the winter of 1944-1945, but the majority of carbines did not have this modification
done until post-war rebuilding. In addition to the adjustable rear sight being added, the
original front sight was pulled off to allow the bayonet lug barrel band to be installed. A
random new or used front sight was reinstalled, but unfortunately for today’s shooters,
there was no requirement for the carbine to then be re-targeted.
Thus, the vast majority of carbines available have a front sight that is either too tall (shoots
low) or too short (shoots high), and the necessary adjustments must be made by the shooter
to find the proper rear sight setting. Finding another front sight, or filing or adding metal –
as necessary - to the front sight blade can alleviate this problem. Changing the front sight
height by .006” (six thousandths of an inch) will change the bullet impact by ½” at 50 yards
or 1” at 100 yards. Be careful! - A little goes a long way
 
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