M1 Garand OTIS cleaning option

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Since it's an historical fact that cleaning rods do more damage by thier users than we all like to admit to, has anyone considered the "OTIS KIT" options for your M1 Garand Rifle, or AR-15, etc. I use this stuff with all my guns. I love it, however it is very expensive to get the good Otis kits. I know I purchased a good G.I. kit complete with Gerber multi tool, rifle,handgun,shotgun cleaning stuff, plus an extra tactical kit too. It was very expensive. But it works very good for me and I have yet to nick, grind, or burr up my crown or anything else. Also I like to use those new'er sray foam bore cleaners, blaster/ carbon removers once in a while to. But the point is, OTIS has a place in all my gear bags and it works for me. Now... has anybody else tried the OTIS system products and how do you like them?? I would like to know, and I am sure the readers would too, I am new to the Forum here, so I hope this isn't already been asked and answered before a bunch of times... Thanks.
 
I just use a little plastic cleaning rod guide that fits over the end of the barrel. I think it was $5 and I never have to worry about messing up the crown.
 
I carry the Otis kit when I'm in the woods but prefer a SST rod with muzzle guard for convenience.
I do like the Otis kit for cleaning an M1 chamber better than the ratcheting brush although it's hard to find .48-.50 caliber brushes with the #10-20 thread that's on the Otis.
 
i use the otis pull through on my m-1 and ar15. i did not purchase the expensive kit, jsut the pull through cord, some random clp that came with it, and their special pre cut patches.

i used the patches pretty quick, but thought buying more was silly. now i just use normal patches and pull em on through. thats it. none of this fancy kit nonsense.
 
Coated Dewey rod , keep clean, no muzzle guide needed. God gave you five of them on each hand
 
Orlando said:
Coated Dewey rod , keep clean, no muzzle guide needed. God gave you five of them on each hand
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I never thought about looking for a particular rifle in a post like this, So while were at it,

I'm "LOOKING FOR SPRINGFIELD ARMORY M1A srl # 018143.

I traded it to a guy in Snead AL, who wanted to give it to a Vietnam Vet Friend. I would like to know how its been since then, I really miss it.
 
I use a muzzle guide and a Tipton rod to clean mine.

I have one of the Otis kits from when I was in the Army (I may have more than one actually). They are better than the old segmented rod kit, but they don't replace a guide and a rod, IMO.

Since I got out, I don't think I have ever used it. If I have, I don't recall using it.
 
I just use a brass rod, instead of a steel one or something that would hurt the bore.

You can still clean from the chamber end with one of those... just put the rod down the barrel, all the way through the chamber, screw the brush on the end, and pull it back through.
 
Yeah, your gonna want to be real careful doing that with your Garand, unless you are real careful, or have a bolt-hold-open-device installed in your magazine compartment.
"they don't call that jagged, red, skint, sore thing on the end of your hand a garand thumb for nothing".
 
A pull through or bore snake can cause muzzle wear by the act of rubbing the muzzle with the dirt and grit embedded in the cord and body of the snake.

The British used a pull through on their Enfield rifles, and damage to the muzzle was called "cord wear".

A .270 Win case cut down will protect the muzzle and crown when using a pull through or bore snake.

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Spare the rod and spoil your bore, use foam bore cleaner.

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HILLBILLY-06 said:
Yeah, your gonna want to be real careful doing that with your Garand, unless you are real careful, or have a bolt-hold-open-device installed in your magazine compartment.
"they don't call that jagged, red, skint, sore thing on the end of your hand a garand thumb for nothing".
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The garand bolt isn't a mousetrap waiting to snap on the first thing that brushes against it. A properly locked-open garand bolt will only release when a loaded clip is inserted, bottomed out, and released, OR the follower is depressed significantly. Many require the follower to be depressed AND the op rod moved to the rear to release the catch.

If the user doesn't rack the bolt back with authority and leaves the bolt tenuously resting on the bullet guide... well... ;)


BigEd, that's a pretty nifty tip with the .270 case. :cool:
 
Exactly!
In all my years of shooting Garands I have never even had a close call
Probably jinxed myself now:fire:
 
"Spare the rod and spoil your bore, use foam bore cleaner.'

EXACTLY. I have not used a cleaning rod in a long time. Once I discovered the foaming bore cleaner I have no need for one.

Why anyone still uses anything else is something I will never be able to understand.
 
"The garand bolt isn't a mousetrap waiting to snap on the first thing that brushes against it. A properly locked-open garand bolt will only release when a loaded clip is inserted, bottomed out, and released, OR the follower is depressed significantly. Many require the follower to be depressed AND the op rod moved to the rear to release the catch."

Another correct response. Garand thumb useally happens while you are watching the last few minutes of Saving Pvt Ryan after about 8 beers when playing with your Garand.
 
As a proud Garand owner....this thread has made me laugh. Historical fact???? Lets talk with the GCA who did a test to check this "myth".

They took a Garand with ME of 2.0 an taking the Steel ramrods proceeded to punish the rifle barrel with it until they reached a ME of 3.0. They tried to destroy the barrel an muzzle. Several ramrods were worn out, several ramrods were brokin an after over 60,000 strokes!!! They finally got to ME 3.0....if that wasn't enough they then shot it an found it to be of excellent accuracy......Hmmmmm. Conclusion, that steel ramrod for cleaning isn't going to hurt that Garand barrel. Your going to wear out that barrel from shooting, not cleaning.....lol on this one.
 
"The garand bolt isn't a mousetrap waiting to snap on the first thing that brushes against it. A properly locked-open garand bolt will only release when a loaded clip is inserted, bottomed out, and released, OR the follower is depressed significantly. Many require the follower to be depressed AND the op rod moved to the rear to release the catch."
Another correct response. Garand thumb useally happens while you are watching the last few minutes of Saving Pvt Ryan after about 8 beers when playing with your Garand.

I have seen 6 or 7 garand thumbs during the high power service rifle matches in the winter time. I havent seen any during the warm summer high power matches. All of these came from experienced shooters, but they all had different explanations for it,(excuses). It does happen. You are right that it shouldn't happen, but it does happen. I have also seen it happen with one M14 and one M1A, during a high power rifle match in the winter time. I dont remember thier excuse, but those both happened on the same day. NONE OF THOSE happened while some old dude was drinking beer sitting on the couch watching old war movies. These were all in the field incedents. The guy with the M14, and the guy with the M1A were single round feeding during the slow fire prone at 600 yards. Nothing gets everybody's attention on the firing line like a guy rolling around with his thumb stuck in the action of those rifles. Except a real accident, like the AR-15 I saw explode from a compressed round, or out of battery epic fail. At least thats what they called it after they found the pieces. That guy got minor injuries, but thank god it didn't happen on the Airforce Base Range, or the Army Range we often use. They don't mind the garand thumb, but you screw up thier spotless accident record on that range and your whole team gets the boot. At least that's what they tell us anyway, I believe them.
ALSO: you shouldn't ever be drinking alchohol, playing around with your weapon anyway & if you do, you need a refresher course in proper instruction on firearm safety, or new head gear, take your pick.
 
Dewey rod, only pulled from the breech to the muzzle for me. To date I haven't had much need to aggressively address the chamber. I just give a couple twists with the GI tool from time to time.
 
HILLBILLY-06 said:
I have seen 6 or 7 garand thumbs during the high power service rifle matches in the winter time. I havent seen any during the warm summer high power matches. All of these came from experienced shooters, but they all had different explanations for it,(excuses). It does happen.
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Surely it happens. And under high-pressure competition situations, when a person has a lot on his mind, I'd wager it happens more often. Maybe the bolt didn't lock back all the way on a previous shot? Maybe the cold contributed to short-cycling? Maybe they bumped the op rod backward on the M14 when loading? Who knows. The point is, a properly functioning M1 isn't going to randomly bite your thumb off if you run it correctly. :cool:

I certainly agree with you about not mixing booze and guns, as well. :cool:
 
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