m44 safeties? Does it even have one?

[GigaBuist]

I've seen a Mosin Nagant rifle modified into a scoped hunting rifle with a nice bent bolt and one of the modifications was an extra "handle" on the back of the bolt to make turning on the safety easier.

For the life of me I cannot get my m44 to turn in this manner. Is it possible that mine just plain doesn't have a safety mechanism?

 

[49hudson]

M44 safety

1. The rifle must be cocked.
2. pull the rear of the bolt back towards the butt, about 1/2 in..
3. While maintaining the reward pull, rotate about1/4 in. counter clock-wise
and release the rear of the bolt.
4. The rifle is now on safe.

 

[SteelyDan]

49hudson's instructions sound correct, but it's been almost a year since I shot one. These are nasty, user-unfriendly safetys, but for the price the guns are great buys. I've never heard of one that didn't have a safety, but, contrary to my wife's protestations, I don't know everything.

 

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

M-N safties work best with the assistance of a 3 foot piece of cheater pipe and a come-along. You can pretty much forget about deploying it with any speed from my experience with several M-N's....especially with a gloved hand.

I tend to keep an empty chamber on the thing until I'm immediately ready to fire mine. Even the Arisaka safety is less cumbersome to me.

Regards,
Rabbit.

 

[jrhead75]

M-N safties work best with the assistance of a 3 foot piece of cheater pipe and a come-along. You can pretty much forget about deploying it with any speed from my experience with several M-N's....especially with a gloved hand.

ROFL!!! Ain't it the truth!

Pull to the rear, 1/4 turn counter-clockwise, just like 49hudson said. Expect a good workout!

 

[foghornl]

After buying my M-44, and practicing using the safety, I found I am strong enough to sell the weight-bench...

 

[Kestryll]

Here is a link to a site with a neat looking safety mod.
Looks like it might actually work too!

http://www.gswagner.com/mosin-nagant/safe/safe.html

 

[Okiecruffler]

That mod looks like it would work, kinda neat looking MN too.

 

[Chipperman]

I do not trust the Noisy Magnet safety. If not ready to shoot, I do not chamber a round.

 

[No4Mk1*]

Put the butt of the rifle into your flexed elbow and it is much easier to use, but it is still not practical to use.

 

[jsalcedo]

I never had a problem with it.
The mosin nagant safety is indeed very safe.

 

[Navy joe]

I think it's pretty trustable, the firing pin is screwed directly into the knob that is locked back, not going anywhere once it is on. I don't find it very hard to manipulate either. Don't use it much, figgering that the trigger pull from heck is safety enough. No errant breeze is gonna set that thing off.

When I was dumb and had just bought one I thought the safety was holding the knob back, pulling the trigger, and then slowly dropping the knob. That's before I had the brilliant revelation that the firing pin was one piece and not the least bit inertial or free floating. Coulda brought a whole new meaning to "bump fire". :banghead: Stupid, stupid, stoopid.

 

[Snowdog]

You learn something new every day. I had no idea my M44 had a safety.
Though not the easiest to use, it's interesting to know it actually has one.

 

[Bowlcut]

personaly i like it. not that i use it alot, but its there. its quite quiet IMHO, and very secure. yea a little stiff....but heck gotta be a man *grunt grunt grunt* its a tim allen type of safety

 

[greyhound]

No chance the things gonna slam fire once you release the tension?
Assuming one has checked their gap with that tool thingee?


(Have no idea what I'm talking about, just curious, and trying to learn something for when I buy my MN. No worries I ordered the translated manual from Amazon yesterday....).

 

[Bowlcut]

in a stress situation i guess it could happen, but for the most part the trigger still is in the way of the pin slaming forward....or so i think. i can see why it was designed the way it was tho. it allows so much flexability of how you prep your gun for batttle, be it with or without a round in the chamber. and also gives you a quiet way of cocking or taking the safety off

 

[GigaBuist]

Yep, that's how you do it.

Thanks guys. I've now gotten a good answer on how to engage the safety. I had tried this before but assumed I was doing something insanely wrong with it to keep it from not firing.

Yes, it's in a pain in the arse to manipulate. There'e less "noise" involved though (assuming I don't grunt like a friggen gorilla while doing it) so I -might- use the safety rather than just keep it unchambered if I ever take it hunting.

 

[greyhound]

Regarding the round in the chamber thing, how do you keep the chamber empty when loaded(apart from leaving the bolt back)?

Seems like when you move the bolt forward and down, it would strip a round into the chamber.

Yes, I am a rube when it comes to rifles!

 

[GigaBuist]

Loaded mag, bolt forward, no round in chamber.

If there's a little extra room you can fully load your mag, hold the round down and then push the bolt forward past where it would catch the round and then bring it fully forward. You might have to underload your magazine by one round to do this though.

 

[greyhound]

Thanks, GigaBuist. I was just curious, when I get my Mosin-Nagant, absent the presence of Al Queda in my town I doubt I'll need to store my rifle loaded.

In a townhouse I expect I'll have more use for handguns and shotguns!

 

[Bowlcut]

no...all you have to do is put the 4 in the mag....and push them below the "interuputer". the little device that keeps the next round from poping up and causing rimlock. when you do this, the only way that interupter will "cycle" and let another round up is to fully close the bolt and open it again then it will pop up. yea cant load 5 and do that as only 4 in mag and 1 in chamber

 

[yesterdaysyouth]

wow i wasn't aware that there was a safety!!....

i thought you just chambered the round put the bolt to half cock and pull the trigger... in my 91/30 it drops the pin and doesn't fire the chambered round.... ????

 

[GD]

I have never found the MN safety to be difficult to use (I have 15 of them). In fact it is one of the most quiet safeties to use. When I am target shooting I use the safety all the time. Just pull and rotate counterclockwise. It ain't that hard!

 

[Feanaro]

I have never found the MN safety to be difficult to use (I have 15 of them). In fact it is one of the most quiet safeties to use. When I am target shooting I use the safety all the time. Just pull and rotate counterclockwise. It ain't that hard!

Tell that to my badly mangled hand.