Machine Gun Amnesty

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That's pretty much what I thought. At least a million, most likely. can safely safe there's as many unregistered full autos as home grown pot plants:what: Hats off to you, TAB . The last thing we need in the midst of a pivotal supreme court decision is negativity in the gun community. Shall issue is a reality in most states thanks to grass roots activism. Hopefully, one day full autos will rise again!:D
 
My friend's dad has an illegal M2 Carbine. Unregistered, brought back from Korea. I haven't confirmed it's FA capability yet, but I'm pretty sure it's an M2.
 
I'm not advocating breaking the law, but honestly how would anyone really find out anyway? I've never seen any range employees ask for Form 4's. just saying
 
It depends on the general "gun climate" of the area where you're shooting. If you shoot at a range where lots of people shoot NFA weapons, probably no big deal, but on the other hand, do you want to take the chance and end up like this guy or worse?
 
Neo-Luddite

You have a VERY good point. I made a point of not wanting to know license plates, names, or any identifying information of the folks with the unregistered MGs. What amused me more is that in one instance, there was a nice lady from the Colorado BLM that didn't want to know, either! At least some government officials have their heads on straight.
 
So just how many illegal MG's do you guys think are out there?
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A realistic estimate? I bet the people that would take advantage of the amnesty would register a hundred thousand. You'd get "legitimate" registering, like grandpa's Thompson that was in the attic. You'd get, "sort-of legit" registering, like old stock Mac-10 receivers that manufacturers "forgot" about. Then I think you'd probably have people try and maybe successfully sneak a couple post-86 era guns in there (like FN2000s or something like that) on technicalities such as "I bought an auto-sear and didn't know it was illegal or they have a Mac-90 with a factory third pin-hole that they never turned in. I think the criminals, obviously wouldn't register.
 
I think that those with unregistered guns have them for a reason. I'd still expect about 250,000 to suddenly be "discovered", though.
 
I can safely say that there are at least a dozen unregistered MGs within 20 miles of me - having known the person that manufactured them. FALs, Uzis, pretty much anything that was easy to convert. The FAL especially is simple. He's no longer an FFL.
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I bet the BATFE is going to check all former FFLs in SC now after reading that...heck if they're clever they'll get your IP and search a 20mi radius of your address :D
 
I'm not advocating breaking the law, but honestly how would anyone really find out anyway? I've never seen any range employees ask for Form 4's. just saying
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I'm not actually sure but I believe that people with legal MGs must show their "papers" to any LEO who requests them...in other words, if they're at the range and are shootin full-auto, if a cop sees it and comes over and asks to see your "papers" you must produce them.
"papers please"
 
Under section 207(d) of the '68GCA, the Secretary of the Treasury can grant up to 90 day amnesty periods for MG's.
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Hmm, a banker controls the real power (firearms) and has seized (still controls) our rights that we USED to be able to exercise. Very telling doncha think that the secretary of the TREASURY decides who can have a firearm and who can't? 1933, F.D.R. came for our gold. 1934 F.D.R. came for our guns. Coincidence? Monetary power was secured first, then our ability to fight back was immediately taken. Something to think about I'd say.
 
My own estimate on illegal machineguns is that there are likely millions of them floating around--but I'm 100% certain that I have no knowledge of any of them especially the ones that are NOT nor have EVER been under my control in any way whatsoever.


Being a law-abiding gun nut presents problems, especially when you have friends that are NOT gun nuts and have found something in their late Grandad's attic they want you to 'have a look at':

"Hey Mike, can you tell me if this thing is a machinegun?"

Nope.
 
yeah...i know of two tommys that get unburied, looked at, fondled, and they reburied......sad that the owner is too afraid to take it out and shoot it.
 
On the back of my Form 4 it says something to the effect of it must be presented to a BATFE agent, nothing about local LEO. I've never been asked, but I have copies of my F4's where ever I go, and the BATFE's phone number in my cell phone if any one needs educating.
 
I'm waiting for the next hurricane to come and see if a bunch of old vets dig up a Ma Deuce somewhere.
 
For guys that are willing to shoot and kill you, gun laws are kinda like Jaywalking laws.. a minor nuisance and not effective at all.. the 86 Closing of the registry, and posts here prove it exactly.
 
So just how many illegal MG's do you guys think are out there? 100,000? A million?
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Probably not even 100,000. I'll bet there are more than a million that could be made FA in short order, but MOST folks respect this law.
 
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I'd be absolutely shocked to the core if there weren't at least 100,000 illegal MGs. Even the government estimated more than that.
 
Well, I know there's one less as of a week ago Friday. That's the day the Special Agent from DoJ walked into my Class III dealer and picked up the 1919A4 that I was in the process of buying. He had a letter saying it was illegally manufactured and he was seizing it. I'm now out $13,000 and will have to file a suit to recover the money I paid. The seller's attitude is "Tough. You paid me, I'm done with you." My comment - "See you in court." Which could take 5 years.
My advice on Class III purchases ... Make sure the gun is legal, no matter how many times it has been transferred before. My almost 1919 had been transferred four times since it was manufactured in 2001. The builder made 30 of them and used serial numbers off MAC-11s that he destroyed. The gun went from 9 mm to .30 cal and NO ONE at NFA caught any of the 30. Your government in action. And, yes, I have ALL the paperwork back to the first transfer.
 
The builder made 30 of them and used serial numbers off MAC-11s that he destroyed. The gun went from 9 mm to .30 cal and NO ONE at NFA caught any of the 30. Your government in action. And, yes, I have ALL the paperwork back to the first transfer.
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I don't see the Gov't's issue with this...I mean, a MG was destroyed to make another MG, meaning that there was no net increase in MG's available to the public :D

Oh yeah...because they want the number of MG's available to the public to keep decreasing until there aren't any left :mad:
 
What kind of business man would take your money and give you nothing? It's like buying a car from a dealer only to find out its stolen and not getting a refund. ridiculous.
 
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