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So you would buy a gun made in Iraq?

I wouldn't buy one at present, because of lack of controls of any kind in the country and the fear that my gun purchase could somehow fund the insurgency. But in a couple years, after they're stable, hey, maybe I would. If I refused to buy guns from everyone whom I had a disagreement with, I'd never own any guns. In similar instance, I buy products from Vietnam now.
 
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This really doesn't apply to me because nearly all of my guns are used; indeed, more than half the guns I own are more than twice my age. Many of the countries from which these guns originated no longer exist. In one or two cases, they ceased to exist, then reappeared on the international montage.

As a matter of fact, the only american new guns that I have ever bought are my Kel-Tec SU16CA and my three Entreprise FAL rifles. All are very nice and good, but when you put them next to, say, my Benelli M1 S90 or K31 Swiss or FN49 or SIG P228 (w.german), it becomes rapidly apparent that American guns do not have the fine craftsmanship that european guns can provide. Perhaps a $2000 Fulton FAL, $2000 Kimber, or $1600 Springfield Loaded might be able to, but if I were willing to pay that much I'd still get more quality for my money by buying european guns in the same price range!

The truth is, American guns (with the exception of the high-end M1A and the AR15 rifle) need to be a lot more finely made at a much lower cost.

Let me list the american guns I own that have been plagued with manufacturing defects or design flaws:

1. mini-14 580 series: accuracy quickly affected by heat, difficult to clean from breech, finish does not last, metal is reminescent of frying pans.
2. kel-tec su16ca: firing pin breaks easily, extractor is poorly grooved, extraction spring is weak, stovepipe jams MELT the upper receiver, PITA to reassemble gas tube into receiver, plastic magazine release is worn down quickly by aluminum magazine bodies.
3. ar-15 stag: rough machining on magazine well, takedown pins require a mallet to drive into place, buttpad is cheap plastic instead of steel or high quality rubber, trigger is hard with a rough break.
4. entreprise FAL: a good solid rifle overall but one rifle had to be returned because the parkerizing was so poor that rust began to form inside the bolt 2 hours after shooting. receiver is also on the heavy side; a lightened receiver is available but why should it cost several hunrded dollars more?
5. m1 carbine: no complaints, but then again this was built 70 years ago. metal also frying pan type but pinpoint accuracy out to 100 yards.
6. stevens 520: no complaints other than that dual action bars would have been nice. also made 70 years ago. workmanship top notch.
7. remington model 11: no complaints but this is a basically FN's browning auto-5. also 70+ years old.

so...
a pattern emerges? american guns 60 years ago - ruled the world. american guns today - play second fiddle to european guns.

but lets not disparage our american guns. after all, in europe they don't let their citizens play with their nice guns.
 
The only American-made gun I own is my Ruger 10/22, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Not necessarily BECAUSE it's US-made, but because it's reliable and fun to shoot.

I do chuckle a bit when I see someone who refuses to buy "commie guns" Those people are limiting themselves. Even "commie guns" can be reliable and fun to shoot.
 
American made is nice but my wife hase a rossi and she loves it, my buddy has a CZp01 and he swears by it. also out of USA are sometimes easier to modify.
 
Another data point: I own 2 firearms, a Remington 870P and a Marlin 1894C. Purchase decision on both was based on, in order of importance, the reputation for durability, ease of maintenance (cleaning), decent price, and reasonable accuracy. The fact I could find products that meet these requirements and are American made is a bonus. My next purchase is likely to be a .223 rifle, to add a little more range. So far I haven’t found a US made rifle that can match the Saiga in these requirements, so I think I’m going to have to break the US made streak.

Also, following the statement from above “…american guns 60 years ago - ruled the world”, I observe although both mine were made recently, their designs are 57 and 113 years old. So maybe we can still make good guns, we just can’t improve on our old designs.
 
Quality and Country...

Thankfully, great quality is found in the U.S. pistol/revolver industry...however, that said, I do value quality, regardless.
I own...
Colt Gold Cup (Trophy);H&K P7, Browning Hi-Power (satin chrome w/pachmyer combat grips),Dan Wessen .357 pistol pack w/interchangable bbls,Baretta .25, Para Ord. P-14 .45 ACP., and most recently, Springfield XD .45 ACP," bbl.
On the near horizon Kimber Raptor Pro and Taurus 85 chult (M85)...
Speaking of which, living in FL., concealed carry can be a hassle. I will need a top of the line pocket holster for the Taurus revolver (M85), and a top of the line leather holster (right side belt carry) for the Raptor Pro. Any feed back appreciated.
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Let's see - I have a sig and an AR, I want a Springfield XD and a couple rifles (Tikka and Sako). Looks like I'm easy to please. Of course, once I have the rifles, I'll need good glass, and I'm really not sure what to get.
 
> So you would buy a gun made in Iraq?

Let me know when Iraq produces anything that isn't an AK (not really into that design)
 
Well..I haven't purposely excluded foreign guns, but its turned out that I only own American made guns

Smith M&P
KelTec 32
Ruger P94
Mossberg 500

but I'm really leaning towards getting a Saiga..unbeatable price, seems like a fun gun to own.
 
When it comes to a tool that may one day save my life, I'll just buy the best and leave politics that the door step. If it came to China I'd be in a tough spot, but I doubt I'll see the best of anything come from China.
 
I like to buy guns from the US. The compairison to cars doesn't make any sense. If the Japenesse made any guns I'm sure they'd be way too small for my hands, have an electronic trigger and lots of LEDs. Plus you could probably take pictures of your kids with it and play Sudoku. Bleh.
 
U.S.
Brazil
Yugoslavia
Russia
Finland
Argentina
Belgium
China
Switzerland

Nope. Nothing against guns made outside of the US.
 
I think many simply prefer an American made product and strongly discriminate against certain countries of origin. For example, I would not buy a gun made in China, but I do have a shotgun made in Italy and a pistol from Germany and Croatia.

Many people buy guns as conversation pieces. They will buy some Sig/Glock and often never shoot it more than once or twice. You're going to find, that in the realm of real application (Hunting, guides, etc) the presentation of US makes is very strong. US products tend to give you value for the dollar and they have within their niche markets a strong representation because they build very effective tools that are practical. For example, if you go hunting for dove, duck, goose, or turkey the makes Remington and Winchester probably comprise greater than 50% of all shotguns used despite more than a dozen manufacturers in this market.

If you subtract the yuppie factor (People with money that just want the most exquisite expensive toy), and look at Benefits / Price or Quality received / Expectations you often simply can't beat the US product. For example, the Remington 870 is probably one of the most successful shotguns on the market. For the money, you'd be hard pressed to find a comparable 12 gauge in quality at that price. A Benelli Nova is nice, but it really brings nothing more to the table, except a much higher price tag. The Benelli is not more reliable, accurate, faster, easier to maintain or anything else. Rifles like the Remington model 700 or the Winchester model 70 were and with the Remington remain complete success stories. The Remington 700 might not have a cool name, a cool sponsor; it might not have been in a movie (There were several movies in which Glocks were used and suddenly this weapon became popular years ago) or some BS marvel of plastic engineering molding. However, if you go to Alaska and take a look around, you'd see a lot of people who hunt carrying a 700 to get their doll sheep, moose, and bear.
 
Let's see...

USA
Britain
Germany
Belgium
France
Spain
Czechoslovakia
Italy
Russia
Brazil
China
Finland
Hungary
Switzerland


Don't have a preference, other than having them work properly.
 
but I doubt I'll see the best of anything come from China.

Except lower-priced clones of equal quality to the guns you buy here in the US for twice or greater the price. Take a look at Marstar and drool.
 
I wish we could get Norinco stuff in here! Canadians had to beat us in something firearms-related, I suppose.
 
"I wish we could get Norinco stuff in here! Canadians had to beat us in something firearms-related, I suppose."

I've seen Norincos, but I'd rather have a well made American gun than some commie chinese POS. Not only are their prices cheap, they look very cheap as well. In gunshows you see a crate full of Norincos, people picking them up throwing them back in, it didn't seem like anybody including the owners cared if they got scratched up or damaged. I would much sooner pay $2000 for a real M14 than $400 for a Norinco. And Canada doesn't do anything right, especially when it comes to guns.

China would be one of the last places I would buy a gun from.
 
If the Japenesse made any guns I'm sure they'd be way too small for my hands, have an electronic trigger and lots of LEDs. Plus you could probably take pictures of your kids with it and play Sudoku. Bleh.

Actually they do make guns. Ever heard of Howa. Also a Japanese company makes rifles and shotguns under the Browning and Winchester name plates. Also all Weatherby rifles are made in Japan. Many different scopes are ade in Japan. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
I try to buy American, but when I do my research it does not stand out better than some foreing. I also believe that some of the American made handguns or rifles are overprice, like XD, some of the S&W, or even Kahr. I have a Glock (Austrian) and a Taurus (Brazilian). Very happy with both in quality. price, everything.
 
Let’s use the benchmark for cheap foreign products as an example, the AK47. You’re better off buying an AK47 made in Texas than nearly any imported AK, including China. Why? Because in the US you have 16 manufacturers of AK47s, most of which build a better product than you get when compared to those imported. For example, in Texas (http://www.globaltrades.com ) the manufactured AKs are made to greater precision, finer wood work, and the receiver is made with a thicker metal. Hands down, those AKs are better than most the imports (Including Russian AKs) and the price point isn't much different.

What people fail to realize is that by the time you pay for logistics, a tariff, and third parties involved with the movement of many of these goods, you end up with a cost that isn't better than a US made product. Some of the products you find that are extremely cheap do so by being completely cheap in quality as well. For example, Wolf ammunition (http://www.wolfammo.com/1_rifle.htm ) from Russia. Lacquered steel cartridges foul up your chamber eventually. Very cheap, yet I wouldn't recommend you use this ammo. It's not consistent in how it shoots and it fouls your chamber with the lacquer.

There are differences in prices, performance specs etc between makes and models etc. In the end in simply boils down to taste and perceptions of quality or performance for many. However, the adage: “You get what you pay for” does holds true to a large degree; and in general, US manufacturers have an inherent cost competitive advantage because of location. In general, when apples are compared with apples; for the same performance the US made products lead.
 
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I paid $450 for a new Subcompact XD9 with holster, high capacity and compact magazine, cleaning kit, lock, carrying case, and speed-loader. What planet do you live on?

Glock 21 MSRP = $598
XD9 MSRP = $542

The Glocks don't come with the extras, frankly they're not as good as a concealed carry weapon, and they cost MORE! You make my case.
 
"Also all Weatherby rifles are made in Japan."

I don't think so, the Mark V Weatherbys are made in USA. Isn't it just the Vangaurd that is made in Nipperland.
 
All my stuff's American, and I bought what I liked.

IMHO, the only UAW members who were actually earning their inflated paychecks and insane benefits packages were those who produced Colts.
 
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