Magazines and clips...

[Vonderek]

Argue if you want, but you are just peeing in the wind that this stage.

Every time this subject comes up it's a mile-long stream of wind-peeing. It's always pointless to "discuss" this subject. Wise men seek knowledge while fools despise correction.

 

[BURN]

My Father, Grandfather and Uncle (All products of USGI Drill Instructors) taught me to shoot. Therefore, I'll always say "magazine." (A "magazine" loaded with "rounds" and inserted into a "rifle.")

However, when I go shooting with my self-taught buddies they say, "Stick some bullets in that clip and hand it here. I'm gonna put it in my gun." I guess I could look down my nose and educate them on "correct" terminology. I would rather just hand them the little black box in question, and get to shootin'. That's a lot more fun than a lecture.

because you train how you fight...and plinking with guns is kind of like training...except some habits you may pick up from it are bad habbits...

 

[twice barrel]

Were there dueling pistols in use and refered to as such long before Sam Colt came along?

?

 

[Boba Fett]

By the way, "magazine" and "clip" are not specific and general terms, respectively, but are mutually exclusive. No magazine is a clip and no clip is a magazine--any such item is either one or the other.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FirearmsGlossary/

CLIP
A device for holding a group of cartridges. Semantic wars have been fought over the word, with some insisting it is not a synonym for "detachable magazine." For 80 years, however, it has been so used by manufacturers and the military. There is no argument that it can also mean a separate device for holding and transferring a group of cartridges to a fixed or detachable magazine or as a device inserted with cartridges into the mechanism of a firearm becoming, in effect, part of that mechanism.

MAGAZINE
A spring-loaded container for cartridges that may be an integral part of the gun`s mechanism or may be detachable. Detachable magazines for the same gun may be offered by the gun`s manufacturer or other manufacturers with various capacities. A gun with a five-shot detachable magazine, for instance, may be fitted with a magazine holding 10, 20, or 50 or more rounds. Box magazines are most commonly located under the receiver with the cartridges stacked vertically. Tube or tubular magazines run through the stock or under the barrel with the cartridges lying horizontally. Drum magazines hold their cartridges in a circular mode. A magazine can also mean a secure storage place for ammunition or explosives.

 

[jcwit]

Its unbelievable that this can be discussed for 154 posts, as if this even matters in the grand scheme of things.

 

[LibShooter]

you train how you fight

For me, and I dare say most shooters, it is not about training or fighting. I use my rifle for the same thing chanting marines use their guns: Just for fun.

 

[Shadow Man]

This is the way I see it: If I am sitting among friends, discussing our various hobbies that require correct nomenclature (such as firearms...we really don't talk about much else...) and one of us slips up and says "gun" instead of firearm, or "clip" instead of magazine, or some such, we usually don't even blink, we ust keep talking because we are all familiar with eachother and know exactly what the other person means. However, if I am in a public setting, and the talk shifts to the Second Ammendment or some similar vein, I will insist upon the correct terminoligy being used, because I don't think you can carry on an informative discussion (or argument...inevitably) without being fully educated upon that topic, and full education means being precise with your use of terms. I know that seems fairly strict, but if you want to debate taking my Constitutional rights away, you damn better have all your facts straight, and know the difference between "bullets", "rounds", "clips", "magazines", ad infinitum.

 

[searcher451]

Not that it matters, but I was reading a book the other day by James Lee Burke, the (otherwise) excellent fiction writer who has given us the character Dave Robicheau, a Cajun police detective from New Iberia Parish outside of New Orleans. (Hollywood has made a couple of movies out of Burke's books; the most recent was In the Electric Mist with Confederate Dead.) His character, who uses an Army-issue Colt .45 semi-automatic, loads the clip and then inserts it into the magazine well of the pistol.

 

[Zach S]

I try not to be a jerk about it, but I do find myself subtlety correcting folks when they want bullets to load their clips.

The bullets thing gets on my nerves big time. Partially because I had a customer throw a fit and call me a DA when he got 9mm bullets, after asking for 9mm bullets, when he really wanted 9mm ammo. 'Bout the third time he called me a DA, civility went out the window and he was rudely educated in the construction of ammo and the components that made it.

 

[GBExpat]

Much ado ...

 

[oldfool]

I never once in my entire life ever yet met anybody who got confused if/when somebody said "clip" instead of "magazine" when looking for a "hold/feed multiple metallic cartridge device" for ANY named make/model firearm that actually uses a magazine, instead of a clip...

but then again, I never met anybody who ever asked for "bullets" at wallyworld instead of "cartridges" in any named caliber, who really confused anybody who was selling ammunition, not even at wallyworld, nor anyplace else.. they mostly just ask for 9mm or 38 or 45 or whatever, and it's a pretty short conversation... ("check back next week")

EXCEPT on internet gun forums
go figure


PS
but I really do have emphasize w/ Zack on the "bullets" thing...
truth really is too often stranger than fiction
can't help but feel for the guy who has to deal with that

 

[Boba Fett]

Even firearms authorities cannot agree on this topic as my post above from the NRA and this from SAAMI reveals:

http://saami.org/Glossary/display.cfm?letter=M

MAGAZINE
1. A building for the storage of either ammunition or its components.
2. A recepticle for a firearm that holds a plurality of cartridges or shells under spring pressure preparatory for feeding into the chamber. Magazines take many forms, such as box, drum, rotary, tubular, etc. and may be fixed or removable.

http://saami.org/Glossary/display.cfm?letter=C

CLIP, CARTRIDGE
See Cartridge Clip.

CHARGER
See Cartridge Clip.

CARTRIDGE CLIP
A separate cartridge container to hold cartridges or shells in proper sequence for feeding into a specific firearm. It is a magazine charger, and unlike a magazine does not contain a feeding spring. Sometimes improperly called a Magazine.

Not taking sides, just providing info.

Back to the war of the Clippers and the Magaziners.

 

[Isher]

Well -

Seeing as how I don't own the latest edition of Emily Post's

"Etiquette of Firearms Verbiage",

I'll just rely on Jerry Jeff Walker

For resolution of this massive literary and intellectual contretemps.

http://www.last.fm/music/Jerry+Jeff+Walker/Ultimate+Collection/Pissin'+in+the+Wind

Click on upper righthand corner.........

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