craig thank you so very much for your incredible helpful and completely unrelated comments i was asking about a magnifier, once it became clear you had no inclination to comment on it and that i was not interested in purchasing a scope, just don't. Yes i am not trying to learn anything else i don't have the time which is why i want a red dot, it doesn't get any easier, like i said this is a hobby nothing more and as a hobby i will do it how it pleases me simple as that.
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You said you use the Leopold as your dedicated hunting rifle, but have you taken the red dot hunting? if so how good is it at discerning a hog, or deer hidden in brush at a 100 yards or so?
To all those that posted about alternative scopes thanks i did check them out but they all have too short eye relief, maybe i was spoiled by my previous scout set up but hey that's life. I am going with the Vortex Sparc, the lifetime warranty is hard to beat, any one here have one of those.