Maine Says "No Thanks" to Federal Real ID Act

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Maine Says "No Thanks" to Federal Real ID Act from Bangor Daily News.

Maine says 'no thanks' to ID Act
By The Associated Press
Friday, January 26, 2007 - Bangor Daily News

AUGUSTA - The Maine Legislature registered nearly unanimous opposition Thursday to the federal Real ID Act, which requires states to change their drivers’ licenses so they can be used as national identification cards linked to a central database.

Supporters of a nonbinding resolution say the program would cost Maine taxpayers $185 million over the first five years and invite identity theft.

The resolution asks Congress to repeal the law, which takes effect next year, and says "the Maine Legislature refuses to implement the Real ID Act of 2005." It passed 34-0 in the Senate and 137-4 in the House of Representatives.

Copies were to be sent to President Bush, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and other federal and state officials.

The resolution had the support of diverse advocacy groups, including the Maine Civil Liberties Union and the libertarian Cato Institute.

Jim Harper of the Cato Institute warned that negative consequences of a national ID card would be "profound."

"Lawful trade and travel would be disrupted for ID checks, at a substantial cost to both liberty and commerce. What little benefits we’d reap would not be worth the price," said Harper.

Shenna Bellows of the MCLU derided Real IDs as "a one-stop shop for identity thieves" because they would have to include coded addresses that could be read by someone with a scanner. Bellows said several other states are considering following Maine’s example.

"I think there’s going to be a huge snowball of these" resolutions, she said.

Members of the National Conference of State Legislatures voted during an annual meeting in August to approve a resolution to demand that Congress either find a way to pay for the Real ID Act or repeal it by the end of 2007. The law is due to take effect in 2008.

At the time, Chertoff sought to ease worries about the law, saying there was no intent to create "a big brother" approach or create a federal database of drivers’ personal information.

The law was motivated by the Sept. 11 terrorists who used legitimate driver’s licenses before the 2001 attacks. It seeks to unify the patchwork of state licensing rules and make it harder to obtain a card fraudulently. Now, Chertoff said, hundreds of kinds of IDs are used to allow people to cross borders.

In Maine, House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree, D-North Haven, acknowledged that the resolution passed Thursday is not binding. She said the language saying the state refuses to comply with the law "is more expressing our feeling and intent that we’re not interested in following through."

But Pingree added that a companion piece of legislation yet to be voted on directs the secretary of state, who administers licensing laws, not to comply. Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap has said the law would be costly and difficult to implement.

Senate Majority Leader Elizabeth Libby Mitchell, D-Vassalboro, sponsor of the resolution, said Real ID "will do nothing to make us safer, but it is our job as state legislators to protect the people of Maine from just this sort of dangerous federal mandate."

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Maine Becomes First State in Nation to Reject Real ID from Maine Civil Liberties Union.

Maine Becomes First State in Nation to Reject Real ID
Legislature Passes a Resolution Refusing to Implement the National ID Card

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, January 25, 2007

Augusta- Maine became the first state in the nation to reject the federal Real ID Act today. The Legislature voted this morning in favor of a resolution refusing to implement the Real ID Act. The Senate vote was unanimous while only four members of the House voted in opposition. At a press conference today, the bipartisan sponsors of the resolution celebrated a victory that they say will save Mainers from paying millions of dollars to fund the program, becoming easy targets for identity theft, and dealing with endless bureaucratic snafus.

The Real ID Act, which mandates that by 2008 states turn their driver’s licenses into national ID cards that will be part of a 50-state shared database, faced broad bipartisan opposition in Maine.

“The federal government may be willing to burden us with the high costs of a program that will do nothing to make us safer, but it is our job as state Legislators to protect the people of Maine from just this sort of dangerous federal mandate,” said Senate Majority Leader Libby Mitchell (D- Augusta), the lead sponsor of the resolution in the Senate. “As a Mainer, I am proud that this state has led the way in taking a stand against Real ID.”

“The broad bipartisan opposition in Maine to Real ID shows just how problematic the law is,” said Representative Scott Lansley (R- Sabattus), the lead sponsor of the resolution in the House. “It wouldn’t make any sense to implement a program that is opposed by so many people from both sides of the aisle and doesn’t seem to have any real benefits for the people of Maine.”

Real ID has gained the ire of privacy advocates, who say linking driver’s licenses and state ID cards to a national database will create a goldmine of accessible information for identity thieves. The Real ID Act requires the cards to include a computer-readable zone, which privacy advocates say will allow anyone with a reader to collect the personal identifying information of anyone with a card.

“Real ID is a real privacy nightmare,” said House Majority Leader Hannah Pingree (D- North Haven), a sponsor of the resolution. “It won’t make us any safer, but it could make us vulnerable to identity theft.”

Real ID has also caused concern over the amount it will cost states in taxpayer dollars. While the Real ID Act is a federal law, it doesn’t come with federal appropriations. In order to adopt Real ID, states will need new technology and an increase in Bureau of Motor Vehicle workers. Experts have estimated the initial cost of implementing the system at $11 billion to the states, and Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said the cost to Maine would be $185 million over the first five years.

“Real ID means huge costs, huge bureaucracy, and a huge threat to individual liberties,” said Shenna Bellows, Maine Civil Liberties Union Executive Director. “It creates a virtual one-stop shop for identity thieves. Maine did the right thing to oppose this.”

The resolution passed by the Maine Legislature resolves that, in protest of the treatment of the states by the President and United States Congress, the State of Maine refuses to implement the Real ID Act and implores the United States Congress to repeal the Real ID Act. The resolution is the first of its kind in the nation.
 
Too bad?


I am glad my state is against national IDs . I also don't like the idea of a national carry permit . Fed gov has enough power now over the people . States are losing more and more of thier indivuality and power . If you don't like the laws /rules of your state , you can move or vote/get involved to change them . It's a lot harder to do that with the fed gov , and less likely to happen . I prefer LOCAL control over national . TIFWIT .
 
Too bad?!

What do you mean by that? I'm hoping NH rejects it as well. Keep in mind this would be a UNIFIED database, likely stuffed with everything about you from your social security to your voting record to CCW to, if your state has registration, your firearms.

It'd also be horrifically easy to hack and steal for one-stop identity theft.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. A requirement to register for this would be the moment that mass civil disobedience and noncompliance is called for.

This would be the equivalent of a barcode on everyone's forehead.

No.
 
I despise the PATRIOT and REAL ID Acts. I applaud ME and the other states that have stood up to the fedgov pukes, but that's only going to last until the the great white father in DC decides to withhold extorted fedgov funding from the rebel states.
 
Too bad, because it's a nonbinding resolution. A temper tantrum without substance. I wish the 50 states would ALL pass BINDING resolutions that forbid thier Departments of Motor Vehicles from altering/issuing any drivers' license or ID card made to conform to the Real ID Act.
I do salute Maine's courage in standing up, and we'll see where this goes.
 
You guys kill me with the idea the the fedreal gov't doesnt know who and where you live..Everyone here pays federal income tax (except the barricaded fruit cake) and has a Soc. Sec. No#, DL, Library Card, Phone Number, State ID, CCW, CREDIT CARDS, CREDIT SCORES, on and on on ad nasuem.. Maine didnt adopt it cus of its 185 million dollar price tag...You are not anonymous anymore...States can no longer function without federal dollars...Flame me if you like but you really all know that..My state doesnt even have an income tax, it couldnt function at all without Fed dollars. This is no longer the 18th or 19th centuries get out of that mindset, that is in the past....A national ID would consolidate DL's, proof of citizenship, ect. ect. and help with illegal immigration...:)

I am now ducking for cover, please use paintballs !!!
 
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Im back in Florida.....Your best argument is to attack me now..?? My opinio is just as worthless as yours, but I know it....:neener:
 
Not so fast- I live in Maine too

While I agree, in theory, that I don't want the federal or even the state government knowing more about me than they need, they already do. If you are a gun owner or a permit holder they already know. If you file taxes they know how much you make. If you own a business they know where and what you buy and sell and make damn sure they tax you on both. If you have a drivers licence they have your driving record on file and share that info with other states. If you use a credit card to make purchases over the internet or out of state they want to track that and tax you on those purchases.

What is the big deal about a standardized drivers licence or a national ID? In Maine I need a drivers licence to cash a check, get on a plane, register my vehicle etc. THE ONLY THING I DO NOT NEED AN ID FOR IS TO VOTE. What that means is if someone knows my name and my address they can go to the polls and vote for me. Now, I do not live in a state where illegal aliens are a huge problem but in some states they are. As I understand it, in order to obtain a national ID you would need proof of citizenship. What the heck is wrong with that? You should need to be a citizen or at least here legaly and, paying taxes like I do, if you want to put your kids in our schools, use our social services and our hospitals. To the guy who said he was against a national concealed carry lincence, why? If you are legal to carry concealed in Maine, why should you have to unload when you cross the NH line?

I do not believe that a national drivers lincence/ID would be any more invasive than what we are subject to now. Face it, the government already knows too much about any any honest law abiding citizen who plays by the rules. The ones that don't know that much about are the criminals, the ones who are here illegaly, steal your social security numbers and are generally a drain on the system. By the way, before anyone goes on a tirade, I want to make it perfectly clear that I have nothing against imigrants to this country regardless of their ethnicity. I simply want them to work within the same system that we, as law abiding citizens have to.

Look at the people and organizations who are opposing this legislation. The ACLU and the MCLU are top among them along with some of the biggest liberals in the state of Maine and the country. When was the last time the ACLU had your best interests at heart especially if you are a gun owner? The ACLU and the MCLU protect the rights of criminals and people who are in this country illegaly. They force you and I, through the use of the courts, to pay for the education and health care of illegal aliens and their children. They force us to be tollerant of other peoples religion while, at the same time, trying to remove all mention of God or the Christian religion from our schools and the public square. They will defend your right to say what you want, when you want, where you want, regardless of its content and the audience unless of course it has anything to do with God or guns. They claim to be the protector of our freedoms under the bill of rights unless it has anything to do with the second ammendment. A former leader of the ACLU, his name escapes me right now, went so far as to say that the second amendment was a stain on the constitution. They are the first ones to scream foul if airline security personell pay too much attention to people with middle eastern accents. They are also against securing our borders and sending illegals back to the countries from which they came. If you shoot an illegal, because he is trying to harm you or yours you can rest assured that one of theirs will be there representing him and probably accuse you of a hate crime. Are these really the people you want on your side. Not me!
 
You guys kill me with the idea the the fedreal gov't doesnt know who and where you live..Everyone here pays federal income tax (except the barricaded fruit cake) and has a Soc. Sec. No#, DL, Library Card, Phone Number, State ID, CCW, CREDIT CARDS, CREDIT SCORES, on and on on ad nasuem..

Of course they have all that information. Scattered among hundreds of database and agencies. Anyone who wants to ABUSE that information, or use it for identity theft, right now has to jump through hoops and file lots of papers and wait for lots of bureaucrats to forget it, then file it again...for each person.

I LIKE it that way. In my state, the CCW is NOT connected to the DMV records at all, in any way. I'd also had my soc # removed from DMV records, which is an option in this state.

Even Douglas Adams made fun of this idea in "Mostly Harmless", with the fact that all of the information about a person, all the thumbprints, DNA, retinal scans and all had, for ease of use, been put on a single "Identi-EZ" card.

In the story, Ford Prefect simply knocks out an executive and takes his card, and then uses it to bypass all the rest of security. :D

And if you support something just because the ACLU is opposing it, sorry, but you're a blind sheep. Knock off the (censored) kneejerk reaction, and THINK. If someone you didn't like was on your side in a gunfight, would you just accept that the enemy is their enemy too, or run off on your own and be a target alone?
 
a driver's license should be just that, a license to drive. not a national ID.
 
Headline in next newspaper

"Federal government decides to donate 185 million to Maine to help them implement the Real ID Act of 2005." :scrutiny:

My gut feeling is it is going to happen and there is nothing "the people" can do about it.
 
Not merely a kneejerk reaction

If you read my whole post you will see that I am not for the Real ID act simply because the ACLU and, in this case the MCLU, is against it. I am for it because, as I see it, it does nothing to infringe upon the rights of law abiding citizens that your state, local and, federal authorities are not already doing. It is not a number on your forehead. It will simply standardize the information necesary to obtain a drivers licence/ID. I am for it because, as I see it, it can be used to identify people that should not be in this country. It can be used to help keep illegals from obtaining work in this country. It can be used to help put criminals in jail that ought to be in jail. Right now some states do not reciprocate with others when it comes to, not only, drivers license info but, other info as well. That is the reason why you can be watching Americas most wanted or Cops and they catch a guy who has been wanted in one state for the murder of his family for the last 12 years living one state over under his real name. If we had a national drivers licence/ID, everytime he went to cash a check, register his vehicle and, yes, vote is another chance that he would be caught.

I don't like the whole BIG BROTHER idea any more than the rest of you and, probably less. That is not what this is. What this is, is common sense legislation. It makes sense to me. I realize that some of you guys are Libertarians and some of you might even call yourselves federalists and, as such, you want the federal governments power to be limited over you and your State. For the most part I agree with that sentiment. What I think is stupid however is that a state like California can decide to issue drivers licences to illegal aliens. As for the lame excuse that it makes it easier to have your identity stolen, give me a break. The biggest threat of identity theft is the instrument which you are now using. You give out so much information about yourself, both freely and inadvertantly, on this thing that your are your own worst enemy, as am I.
 
I don't understand how the Real ID Act changes anything. I can sit down at the MDC in my squad and access drivers license records of all 50 states, the 4 territories (counting DC) and the Canadian provinces.

The way I understand it, all Real ID does is standardize the required identification you must have to get a drivers license or state photo ID in all 54 states and territories.

Your drivers license or state issued photo ID has been a de-facto national ID card for more then 20 years.

It seems to me, the time to have fought this battle was 25 or more years ago. Drivers licenses and state issued photo IDs have been in computerized databases for at least that long.

Jeff
 
What this is, is common sense legislation.
Well who can argue with that, it works for gun control. :evil:

Lets see we have tons of money and increasing centraliziation of personal information under the government's control. Just last fall the VA let the personal details of perhaps 2.2 millions vets leak out of their control. As an IT guy all I can say is that the more people have their hands on information the greater the chance of it being leaked. The more centralized, computerized, and detailed the system becomes the scarier it is. It becomes more of a target, more of a liability, and has a greater probability of having problems.

All that just to keep some illegal immigrants from being able to fake employment documentation as easily?

I don't understand how the Real ID Act changes anything. I can sit down at the MDC in my squad and access drivers license records of all 50 states, the 4 territories (counting DC) and the Canadian provinces.
One of the things that bothers me most about it is part of the data to be included on the card:
"A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements (the details of which are not spelled out, but left to the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and the States, to regulate)."

Many also have concerns with it keeping illegals from getting d/l's, the training/testing associated with one and insurance. That one is a tougher sell to me as I don't imagine all that many illegal immigrants have drivers licenses anyway, but I'm just guessing wildly there.
 
A national ID would consolidate DL's, proof of citizenship, ect. ect. and help with illegal immigration...


Explain how it would help with illegal immigration. The only thing that will work with illegal immigration is mass round ups and mass deportations.


The feds will not enforce the border now. What makes you think that by having a national ID card they will magically start to enforce our borders?


Take off your rose colored glasses. It is about power over the serfs.
 
Explain how it would help with illegal immigration. The only thing that will work with illegal immigration is mass round ups and mass deportations.


The feds will not enforce the border now. What makes you think that by having a national ID card they will magically start to enforce our borders?


Take off your rose colored glasses. It is about power over the serfs.


I cant argue with that brother....:D :D
 
How long until the Federal Gov't decides to pull all of Maine's funding under the guise of the "Commerce Clause" :barf: until they agree to implement this?

Think it won't happen? Look what happened to Louisiana when they tried to refuse raising the drinking age to 21... :fire:
 
FED ID? What for?!?! We already have that! It looks like this: XXX-XX-XXXX. So Legislators, explain to me why we need another one? What will this one fix that the last one didn't?

I want to see statistical proof that a FED ID would cut out terrorism. The fact is that if someone wants to bad enough, they will get in, and they will do damage. Honestly, I have always accepted the risks of terrorism as similar to flooding, crime, etc. They are diminishable, but not completely stoppable. We can keep putting more and more effort and money into catching terrorists, and we'll catch a larger percentage of them, BUT WE CAN'T CATCH THEM ALL. Eventually no matter how much money we throw at the problem, it won't get any better. It's called "the Law of Dimishing Returns".

I'm also tired of getting letters from the VA saying that once again my identiy information, medical history, past payment records, ad infinitum have been stolen.

Good intentions in this realm don't matter. Good intentions don't prevent identity theft, and they don't pay our national budget. So legislators, tell me why we should raise our national spending by 7.25 BILLION ($145million x 50 states) to catch 2 more terrorists. I'm sorry, but it's just not-cost effective.

And, as Maine points out, why should states pay for implementation of a federal database/form of ID?

The law was motivated by the Sept. 11 terrorists who used legitimate driver’s licenses before the 2001 attacks.

And they used legitimite roads. So I guess we'll have to close them, or put sentrys every so many feet.

And they used automobiles to get to the airport. Now I guess we'll hafta require all cars be fitted with DNA testing devices to prevent un-authorized users.

And they used legitimate cash, guess we'll hafta put smart chips in every bill and coin.

And they may have even interacted with "legitimate" people in the grocery market. Guess we'll hafta install cameras and a barcode in everyone's forehead.

Where is that pic of NAZIs asking for papers when you need it?
 
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