Mainstream burnout

[Drifter27]

I don't like mainstream politics. I understand the 2 party system is established and is basically the law of the land, but it doesn't seem like the best perspective. Why are court decisions made based on who knows who, and pardons given by higher officials because of party lines? Why is there even a term "voting in party line?" It just doesnt make sense to me. Nobody thinks the exact same as someone else, so why would he/she vote the exact same every time? I may be young and stupid, but if this is a free country why don't our representatives make their decisions based on constituent's beliefs and not "party lines?" They were put there by us, why do they take orders from someone else? This is a loaded thread I know and there isn't a right answer but someone please put my mind at ease, I'm losing faith

 

[Cannonball888]

I hear ya, brother.
Lost faith in the system leads further to apathy and is the major reason half the eligible population doesn't vote.

 

[crebralfix]

Yup, pretty much sick of it too. It's clear the courts won't support us and the various legislatures want to tax and control everything.

We have too many laws as it is and they're proposing hundreds of new pages of laws. The laws don't work, yet it keeps getting piled higher and deeper.

 

[fourays2]

IMHO half the population not voting has led to the current situaion

 

[pacodelahoya]

Well, when all you have to vote for is the lesser of two evils.....

 

[nvshooter]

Take Rush Limbaugh's advice and tune out the drive-by media jackals. I do not have a TV and so cannot watch the drive-by news. I hear them on the radio, but I understand full well that they are presenting only the liberal side of the story, so I dismiss it out of hand. I get what I know about the activities of the libs from Rush. I trust what he says because the libs are so full of hate and bile for him. That's the best indication he is giving us the straight skinny...

 

[pacodelahoya]

NVshooter, I am no leftist by any means, I am not a Democrat, nor am I a republican. I do consider myself "liberal" in the sense that I think that everyone should be able to do whatever it is that floats their boat al long as it does not violate anyone else. Us liberals need to take that word back from the lefties.

As far as trusting Rush because the lefties hate him, I'm sure that a lot of lefties trust Pelosi cuz Rush hates her.

Don't forget that Rush is paid very well to sway your thinking.

Not bashing you, I just want to make sure you believe what you do for the right reasons. And for the record, I do think that republicans are the lesser of the two evils. But they are still evil (collectively, not individual republicans).
Too much money to be made from politics and too far down the road to change things.

 

[nvshooter]

Please know, paco, that my thinking will not be changed. Rush routinely exposes the lies of the liberals on his show. He does it so often and so well that one cannot discount him after almost 19 years on the air. Yesterday, the drive-by heathens reported that Scooter Libby was the highest government official ever convicted. That is wrong. Henry Cisneros was a Clintoon cabinet member. If Rush had not pointed that out, relatively no one would have known it...

How many people have been convicted in the Bush Administration for various crimes? I believe the number is one. Compare that number to the number convicted during the Clintoon Years...

 

[pacodelahoya]

I don't want to change your thinking NV, I just want you to continue to analyze your info and not believe everthing that anyone says just cuz it sounds good. I'm sure even Rush has stretched the truth on occasion if it fit in with his master plan. Happy 4th to ya!

 

[FieroCDSP]

Regardless of what you hear from anyone, you should check up what they say for yourself. Obviously the immigration bill was not availiable to the public for review, but most House and Senate Bills are posted online, and before you make a decision on where you stand, you should read the print. Sometimes its hard because of the legalese they throw in, but I've found it helps to get the idea of what is going on.
Rush is correct much of the time. He's not in it for the money, as he already has a bunch. He genuinely loves his country and wants to see the people think for themselves when given the facts, because at the end of the day, we ARE capable of governing ourselves. The massive reponse to the immigration bill is an example. Had it not been disected by Talk radio, and the details put forth as they got them, none of us would have had a clue what was happening, and it would have gone through without a hitch.
The polichickens realized that the people didn't want the bill containing any kind of amnesty, and squashed it to preserve their jobs. They answer to US!!! And we need to remind the ones that are in it for the power, like Clinton and Reid, of that. That is the only way to keep our government from running us.

 

[obxned]

If politicians were held to the same standards in their ads and speeches as are people selling cars, or cat food, or diet pills, then we would have a chance at making our system work.

 

[wingman]

I think for me as a senior citizen we seem to be in a period of "no one speaks
the truth", from your tv stations to your local business people, the shades
of gray deepen. It becomes very difficult to weed out the truth from the lies
and with politicians I'm not certain many of them understand the difference
themselves. For me it's not what a man says but what he does that is important.

 

[Tommygunn]

Don't forget that Rush is paid very well to sway your thinking.

Rush is paid very well indeed, but not to "sway" peoples' thinking; he's paid well because he brings a HUGE audience (twenty million) to the advertisers. If he sways anyone's thinking in the process ... depends upon the individual listening I guess.
I'm not saying you think he's a Republican shill, but I am always amazed at how many people think he is, considering how much time lately he's spent criticizing the repukeagain party -- justifiably, IMHO.

 

[elrod]

pacodelahoya

Well, when all you have to vote for is the lesser of two evils...

You still end up with evil!!!!

The American political system has designed itself to be very, very difficult to unseat. The late governor George Wallace nailed it, IMHO, when he said "There ain't a dimes worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans". The system they have built is so difficult for a third party to gain ballot access, that the serious third party candidates often join one of the majors just to get on the ballot (Ron Paul comes to mind). Couple that with the huge bloc of American voters that cast their vote for the party that promises them the most entitlements, and you have a helluva mess!
All I see to do is pray that a strong third candidate emerges that will garner enough votes to change the way present-day Washington thinks.:banghead:

 

[Kevin108]

Not much for Rush. I enjoy Neil Boortz a lot. I haven't listened in a while but I went through a stint of listening religiously for about 3 months while Sirius was broken. If I could download his program and listen to it when I got home I would. Timeshifting is everything these days.

 

[FeebMaster]

IMHO half the population not voting has led to the current situaion

Oh, sure. Blame it on the people who don't vote. It's the voters who are the problem. They're the ones who keep electing the same kinds of people.

 

[ranger335v]

"IMHO half the population not voting has led to the current situaion"

I understand your feeling but suggest the opposite. I believe we have the current situation because so many people who know neither the situation nor the ones who caused it are voting FOR those making the mess. That won't be cured by more voting from people who obviously couldn't care less about the fix we're in.

The prime reason our politicians are courting the illegals now is to draw in even more uninformed voters but that will only make things worse. NO ONE can or will out-promise the biggest spenders so true conserivatives will be further marganilized. Thus, we spiral down into debt while slimey pollyticians buy votes with our money from the laziest parts of our population eager to take ever larger handouts.

 

[mlandman]

The reason we have a 2 party system is that 3rd parties in this country do not have a clue. They all seem to want to run for president as a method of getting established. This is idiocy! in the EU, there are many effective 3rd parties. They got that way by starting locally to build up their political base.
You can not start at the top, you need to start with local elections and work from there.

 

[ArmedBear]

Rush is paid very well to sway your thinking.

Rush is paid very well because he gets a lot of people to listen, so advertisers pay well to have spots on his show.

If he said the exact opposite of whatever he does, and he got the same audience, he'd be paid the same.

Nobody pays him to sway anyone's thinking.

There certainly are people who are paid by campaigns, interest groups, etc. to do PR, to sway people's thinking. But Rush Limbaugh, and for that matter Al Franken are not.

 

[cbsbyte]

Simply put I believe the two party system was setup to keep the subjects in check by making them believe that both parties are different when in reality they are the same. Both parties believe in creating more wealth, and power for a select portion of the population. This type of Government is called a Plutocracy. Plutocracy is designed to create more wealth for the elites that run the system.

 

[pcosmar]

Quote from David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years."

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

There is no good reason to trust the MSN, They are still all controlled by and for the Council on Foreign Relations.
There stated goal is a One World Government.
It is not tinfoil hattery, it is their published position.

 

[Drifter27]

Rush limbaugh and bill oreilly and al franken are all the same, just spreading lies and misinformation for different people. They dont accept any other ideas or opinions from anyone that doesn't give them money or power, they are all full of ****. I am only a republican because too many Democrats believe the billary machine and that guns are people eaters and evil, but thats the only reason. I am completely convinced that every politician is a criminal that lines his pockets with candy stolen from babies and in spare time flies to alaska to kill baby seals. Is there anyone worth voting for that will do some good for the American People in general and not just the elite?

 

[bogie]

One thing to consider is the contstant media bombardment we get - are we losing faith, or are we just disgusted? Face it - the media dumbs politics down to the Paris Hilton level. And they take the high points, the sound bites, and flog them to death.

In addition, the media wants us to become sick and tired - they keep TELLING us that we're sick and tired... That makes their job easier, because we'll be nice and predictable.

Do a search on "The Big Lie" and see what comes up...

 

[pacodelahoya]

Nobody pays him to sway anyone's thinking.

I once knew a guy who if you said the sky was blue, he'd say no it's not, it is actually clear. The blue is just the reflected color of the oceans. He was an argumentative sob and no one liked him.

Maybe I should have said Rush gets paid to put forth a certain viewpoint, does that make you happier?

Does he not get paid? Does he not put forth a certain viewpoint? I'm waiting.

 

[Black Adder LXX]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... They're all crooks. I try to vote for the ones that erode our rights at a SLOWER rate.