Speedo66
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There may come a time when just ownership of a gun will be enough to trigger a red flag law. Someone will call the police because if a neighbor has a gun, then he obviously must be crazy.
But this guy on social media, posing threats, weren't there laws on the books to handle irresponsible behavior, before Red Flag Laws? Why not just enforce those laws, using due process?
Just where have you seen the police avoiding violent gangs, or kicking in doors on Red Flag complaints? I think your statements are a bit exaggerated.My problem with Red Flag Laws is the same police who will avoid violent gangs with guns, a history of violence, and the absolute certainty they will perform violent acts with guns again, in the future; seem to have no problem kicking down the door of a lawful gun owner who has done nothing wrong, stealing their property, and violating their rights, all on the basis of a phone call of a whiny neighbor, or someone who dislikes them.
Now, as gun owners, we have to not only have a pristine record, jump thru all the hoops of gun ownership, but now we also have to be the local Prom Kings, and be loved by all, all the time. Any certainty any of us had, that we will retain our firearms, has been permanently eliminated. Red Flag Laws not only effectively erase our 4th Amendment rights, but the privacy rights of anybody else who is merely accused of having a gun.
But this guy on social media, posing threats, weren't there laws on the books to handle irresponsible behavior, before Red Flag Laws? Why not just enforce those laws, using due process?
I'm shocked that incel is a legitimate term throughout the nation now. It's really amazing that a dumb meme like that has gained so much power.
I wonder if incels will be branded as one of those disorganized terrorist gangs, like insane clown posse, where "membership" makes you defacto ineligible. Im a single guy and I'd be scared to be labeled an incel that's for sure...
Red flag laws fly completely in the face of our right to free speech and the 2A. Search and seizure with out an actual crime being committed? How can that be constitutional?Do people read this and think this person should be left to his own devices?
Just where have you seen the police avoiding violent gangs, or kicking in doors on Red Flag complaints? I think your statements are a bit exaggerated.
You have to remember that these states that have passed Red Flag laws are being taken over by liberals. To many conservatives don't get out and vote, but will complain about what is going on.
I see these Red Flag Laws being contested in the near future and ruled unconstitutional. But until then, if you live in a Red Flag state, don't post stupid stuff on social media or do stupid stuff that will draw unwanted attention to you.
I think police making contact with a home owner, other than in a full on raid, before sun up would exponentially increase the danger to the officers.It used to be that the law stated that most non extra-ordinary warranted actions against domiciled citizens had to take place during daylight hours. This apparently has become only a lost historical artifact, forgotten by all but cloistered historians.
Perhaps the idea should be revisited ..
He was reported to the police who filed an emergency protective order allowing for the immediate seizure of the guns. Basically a friend, neighbor, random person on the 'net, or whomever repYou may be right, and I don't disagree. Folks with a background in law will have a more educated opinion than mine. I don't know the law used to take his weapons, but if they determined he made terroristic threats, surely he would be locked up already and his guns would be in an evidence room. I just know I don't want him as a neighbor, and I'd bet it wasn't just police searching the internet randomly for people posting things like he did. He had to be known to them.
Nothing to gain except normalizing gun ownership. When the only gun owners the public is exposed to are lunatics it damages the 2A for us all. I used to be like you, now I'm much more open because being a normal respectable guy who is known to think guns are fun and alright makes those around me more aware that gun owners are normal respectable people.Meh.
The only lesson to be taken away from this is to practice better OPSEC.
I don't advertise being a gun owner to the wholesale public. In fact, I try to greatly limit that information to those whom I know won't use it against me. There's nothing to gain and perhaps everything to lose from doing otherwise.
That guys a creephttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ix-guns-man-posted-photo-Joker-reference.html
We have a red flag gun seizure of a Joker fan from Washington who made some regrettable comments online. It's interesting to see his well documented social media to get a good idea of the litmus that will be applied in my state.
I'm torn on this, on the one hand this guy seems like a piece of work. On the other hand, if he's committed a crime then charge him and take the guns. This special legal status with a reduced burden of proof seems like a cudgel for undesirables more than anything.
I just know I don't want him as a neighbor, and I'd bet it wasn't just police searching the internet randomly for people posting things like he did. He had to be known to them.
He is still free and now even more angry because you took his property.
Maybe the press has put a negative spin on it, but your little hero painted himself more negative then the press by what he posted on social media.Let's see. Young gun owner in need of guidance from a grown man or liberal excrement bird living next door? I'll take the frustrated kid making empty threats online because the reality is he hasn't committed any crime. The reality is when the chips are down a bunch of guys here are 100% supportive of red flag laws as long as the guy can be labeled negatively in the press. People these days are very fast to hate and condemn others that they don't really know.
Bingo. And rightfully so.
Maybe the press has put a negative spin on it, but your little hero painted himself more negative then the press by what he posted on social media.
I don’t like red flag laws, and I’m glad that I live in a gun friendly state where stupid laws are not passed just to make people feel good.
But like I said before. If you live in a state that has red flag laws, don’t go posting stupid stuff on social media.
Come on now. I was just messing with you when I called him your little hero.My hero? That sounds like you are trying to demean my support of the guy's 2A rights even though I already said he's outside the norm in society. Don't be somebody who only fights for the rights of those with whom you agree and share the same life outlook as. I would expect you of all people to understand that concept, Gunny USMC.
We're probably lucky for that, he might go 'round stabbing people with himself.But you have to agree with me that this guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Many of us have encountered those types, myself included. I have no doubt the vast majority of us would try to set a good example, share our personal perspectives, and help guide a young man or woman in need of a positive adult role model. However this young man has posted violent ideas geared towards women and then posted pictures of himself that implied he was taking his rifles to the screening of The Joker film. When you put them in context, I don't blame anyone for being worried. Please remember the incident in Colorado surrounding the screening of The Dark Knight. Maybe it's not a direct connection, but people remember the former incident, and this young man certainly is old enough to remember as well. The context matters.Young gun owner in need of guidance from a grown man
Personally, I don't care if you want to walk down the street in a thong covered in jello with an open carried sidearm. It's not my business. I may not want to interact with you, but if you aren't making threatening comments or actions, it doesn't matter to me. I think there is a difference here based on behavior, not just outward appearance.That sounds like you are trying to demean my support of the guy's 2A rights even though I already said he's outside the norm in society.
Nothing to gain except normalizing gun ownership. When the only gun owners the public is exposed to are lunatics it damages the 2A for us all.
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I just know I don't want him as a neighbor, and I'd bet it wasn't just police searching the internet randomly for people posting things like he did. He had to be known to them.
Let's see. Young gun owner in need of guidance from a grown man or liberal excrement bird living next door? I'll take the frustrated kid making empty threats online because the reality is he hasn't committed any crime. The reality is when the chips are down a bunch of guys here are 100% supportive of red flag laws as long as the guy can be labeled negatively in the press. People these days are very fast to hate and condemn others that they don't really know.