Man Suspected Of Shooting Officer Released

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No way he called it in. It was not a stop anyway. He was out of his jurisdiction and had no apparent reason to stop this guy.

If he did indeed point his gun out the window (seems strange based on likely training) that guy is through. He will lose his job and could go to jail.

You would think in this day and age with so many people carrying concealed that the bullys would learn. I guess Darwin will sort it all out for us.
 
I'm quite familiar with shooting statistics and the probability of a hit vs. a miss, etc., and I don't need a lesson.

If you read the first post , the assailant was getting out of his car with a gun, pointing it at the lady in the shooter's car, when the shooter fired his gun to protect himself and his family. "Treptow pulled his SUV up to the driver side of the other car, stopped at a light. Treptow says as the driver got out of his, he pulled out a weapon."

In this scenario, Treptow would be firing through his wife's door, unless he was able to quickly lean in front of and over his wife. This assumes that he assailant had planted his feet on the ground as he exited his vehicle as he "got out of his".

On the last update, however, it states that "the man...reached out his window and pointed a gun...Treptow quickly reached across his wife and fired at the car. The officer was hit in the legs and an arm."

This is much more plausible.
 
Regardless of whether you're a cop or not, you have no right to threaten somebody with a lethal instrument unless they have previously threatened you... in other words, the undercover cop was clearly a fool and the person who shot him was justified.
 
more coverage

More coverage, includes a picture of Mr. Treptow and video of his remarks when released from jail.

Road-rage shooting suspect released
Motorist says he protected his family, alleges undercover cop pulled a gun first
BY DAVE ORRICK and MARY BAUER
Pioneer Press
TwinCities.com-Pioneer Press
Article Last Updated:06/09/2007 03:03:15 PM CDT

Martin Scott Treptow walked out of the Anoka County Jail on Friday afternoon and promptly declared his innocence.

"It was self-defense," he said moments after being released without charges in the shooting of an undercover police officer the day before.

Treptow, a 35-year-old former security officer from Coon Rapids with a license to carry a concealed handgun, shot the Robbinsdale officer Thursday afternoon, injuring him, in a vehicle-to-vehicle road-rage shooting near a busy Anoka County intersection.

That officer has told investigators a different story, putting them in a quandary, they acknowledge.

Key to that quandary might be who pulled his gun first, if both actually did.

According to Treptow, it was the officer - who he says never identified himself.

"The other gentleman pulled the weapon on myself and my family," he told reporters. "We're about 3 feet away from each other, and he's pointing the gun at my wife. ... I had to protect my family."

With his two children in the back and his wife in the passenger seat of their SUV, Treptow drew his gun, reached across the lap of his wife, Rebecca, and fired into the undercover officer's car, striking him in each leg and in one arm, he said.

Through a close acquaintance, the police officer declined to comment to local media Thursday evening. Coon Rapids police say his story differs from what Treptow and his wife told investigators, but what's not in dispute is that the officer never fired his weapon. He was treated and released from an area hospital Thursday.

"We are getting two different versions of what happened: the Treptow version and the officer's version, and they are in contradiction," Coon Rapids Deputy Police Chief Timothy Snell said.

Although Robbinsdale police have said the officer was on duty, none of the Treptows were involved in the officer's undercover investigations, police have said.

Citing pending investigations, the officer's safety and state laws that allow police to withhold information about undercover officers, Robbinsdale Police Chief Wayne Shellum refused to release information about the officer, other than to say he's been a sworn officer for four years and has had no disciplinary actions against him.

Without going into details, Shellum appeared to be standing by his guy Friday. "The focus is, this is a road-rage deal, and some guy with his wife and kids decides to end this thing by shooting somebody," he said.

Coon Rapids police and Anoka County prosecutors also refused to release the officer's name.

Prosecutor James Weber said the investigation is continuing, and charges could still be filed.

"There's no indication that he's going to be charged or that he's not going to be charged," Weber said of Treptow. Authorities haven't ruled out charges against the police officer, either.

The shooting occurred Thursday afternoon in Coon Rapids near Foley Boulevard and U.S. 10.

It began with a dispute over driving courtesy. Treptow's family has said the officer was driving aggressively as the two vehicles drove on side roads outside a strip mall along 99th Avenue Northwest. At one point, Treptow honked at the other driver. Treptow declined to "go into details" about what sparked it all, as have Coon Rapids police.

Shots rang out around 2:35 p.m. while both vehicles were stopped in traffic where 99th feeds onto Foley, Snell said. The officer fell out of his car and onto the side of the road, while his car rolled backward across 99th, coming to rest when it hit a pizzeria. Treptow drove a few blocks to a Holiday gas station, where his wife called 911 from her cell phone. Treptow's father, also named Martin Treptow, told the Pioneer Press on Thursday that the couple drove off because they feared the man - who they didn't know was a cop - would fire at them.

Police took both adult Treptows into custody. They released Rebecca but booked Martin in the county jail on suspicion of aggravated assault.

Throughout the morning Friday, prosecutors and investigators with Anoka County and Coon Rapids talked over the case, as prosecutors considered whether to charge Treptow in a criminal complaint that would have required an appearance before a judge to set bail. Snell said Coon Rapids police gave no recommendations regarding charges against anyone involved.

Shortly before 1 p.m., Weber announced authorities were setting Treptow free pending further investigation. He declined to talk about specifics of the case.

The statute of limitations for aggravated assault is three years, although authorities have the ability to publicly clear anyone involved if they want to.

Treptow has no known criminal history in Minnesota beyond minor traffic incidents, according to police and court records.

Staff reporter John Brewer contributed to this report.

Online: To hear Martin Treptow's thoughts as he leaves jail, visit twincities.com.

Inside: Police cite cop's undercover work in refusing to release his name. Page 5A.

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_6096526
 
anyone in the area keep us updated should be interesting to see how the ballistics pplay out and how stories change
 
this also stresses to me the necessity of calling 911 early. This guy's case was helped greatly by the fact that his wife called 911 about her husband just being forced to shoot an attacker...who later on turned out to be a cop.

However, it would have been even better had tehy called in and reported a guy in a car acting threateningly toward them, and even better to be on the line with 911 and saying 'OMG he just pulled a gun and pointed it BANG BANG BANG...OMG my husband just shot him!'
 
Also, any cop should know what constitutes a deadly threat and when it is appropriate to draw you gun.

It is my belief that a person has the legal right to go up to a cop and say "you N_____ M_____ F_____ S____ E___ A____ H____" which might well make him angry, but doesn't entitle him to shoot you. Same with cutting him off, honking the horn, flipping him the middle finger, etc etc.

Now, I would strongly advise against anyone with or without a gun getting up in the grill of a law enforcement officer like that. For starters, they have a hard job with low pay that helps us all, we should respect that. Also, if they really look they can probably find something in the grey areas of what is legal/illegal and make your life misserable (hey are these windows tinted too much?)

But in my example above, profanity, flipping the bird, etc, does not make it allright for one person to shoot another, cop or no cop.

The caveat to that is as a person who has a firearm, it is entirely possible to, with criminal intent' go start trouble, start a fight so you have an excuse to shoot someone. To basically 'lure him in' That too is murder in my book.

The sticky part is when person A isn't trying to 'lure someone into attacking them...so they can shoot them' but just being an honest A__hole, with no thought to where the action could take them. For starters, a fight could break out and who knows who ends up on the loosing end. And even if the guy who stared/escalated a suituation with swearing etc is entitled to defend himself from a lethal attack, such an incident will always be scrutiized to the utmost to see if the person was really trying to murder them other, simply using the other person's short fuse to make it appear like self defense
 
"Without going into details, Shellum appeared to be standing by his guy Friday. "The focus is, this is a road-rage deal, and some guy with his wife and kids decides to end this thing by shooting somebody," he said."

I expect Shellum will regret those words...

I'm also very curious how this plays out, but I won't be too surprised if it falls right off the radar screen. I expect the cops protecting one of their own...as legit undercover operative...or as a guy who probably shouldn't be carrying a gun.
 
The cop should be charged, of course! This is clear cut self-defense! Who cares if the guy was a cop or a burger flipper or a realestate agent or a mechanic! You do NOT pull a gun on someone unless your life is in danger!

I certainly hope the cop gets charged like anyone else would.
 
"We are getting two different versions of what happened: the Treptow version and the officer's version, and they are in contradiction," Coon Rapids Deputy Police Chief Timothy Snell said.

Although Robbinsdale police have said the officer was on duty, none of the Treptows were involved in the officer's undercover investigations, police have said.
The cop was NOT in his jurisdiction....bad cop, no doughnuts!

And this is the post of someone who claims to be his neighbor:
Hey I live by the so called under cover cop.. I have dealt with his RUDE driving cutting people off and jumping lanes . Something should be done with his guy.. I mean really who does he think he is. maybe he should think about taking driving 101 I think

I just viewed a Fox local affiliate video story. The police car's driver's window is down and there are no holes in the upper half of the door. That is all you can see.
 
After seeing the video, he looks like a down to earth family man, pretty well spoken.

That doesn't mean a whole lot for the case at hand, but its nice to see one of us on TV that doesn't feed the various stereotypes.
 
be nice to know which media report is closer to the truth. and i hope the guys kids are ok. how do you shoot a guy in the legs if hes in a car without a hole in the door? both legs i could see inside leg but the one near the door?
 
Just because he's a cop doesn't give him the right to pull a gun on someone because he's pissed off at them. If you read the statutes pertaining to assault upon, or killing of, a police officer, you will find the qualifying phrase, "in the performance of his/her official duties". What that (soon to be former) cop did wasn't even remotely close to his official duties. He's lucky to still be alive. Sounds like he doesn't have the right temperament for police work.
 
Its a little early to say for sure, but my guess is that nothing happens to the cop that appears to have precipitated the incident. It seems clear from his chief's statements that the blue line will do its best to protect him from his own misconduct. Maybe the mayor will show some intestinal fortitude and take a close look at the incident, but I would not bet on it.

At least it happened outside of his jurisdiction. You can bet the poor guy just defending himself from a thug would still be locked up otherwise and the full force of the law would be engaged in making up whatever plausible story they could, along with whatever evidence they need to make it stick.
 
"Did the non-leo citizen retain his CCW permit and the weapon too?"

I'll wager he didn't...the permit is probably suspended and the gun held until the investigation is over.
The cop should be on administrative leave or holding down a desk...again, until after the investigation...but I'd wager he's on the job.

If the cops and town administration set on this...Treptow (the civilian) may have to retain a lawyer and go after them. He should have a lawyer now, I think.

I hope it turns out OK for Treptow. I hope the undercover cop is charged, if he pulled first. But I can't say I'm expecting it. I do expect some bogus charge against Treptow to give the cops and DA something to negotiate...but maybe I'm watching too much "Law and Order"
 
If I was this guy's lawyer I'd be asking how badly they want this undercover cop to stay under cover.
If the case goes to trial, everything becomes public - including the undercover cops identity. Depending on the LEO's past/current performance in his current position and how important his participation is in ongoing investigations, they may opt to not prosecute.
What *was* an undercover policeman doing trying to make a traffic stop?
 
What *was* an undercover policeman doing trying to make a traffic stop?
That's the point. It WASN'T a traffic stop.

It was a guy with testosterone poisoning waving a gun around because he was angry.

If I were Treptow, I would go after the guy with everything I had. His pointing the gun at Treptow's wife was aggravated assault, menacing, etc.

What's going to happen if that cop keeps his job, especially the way his chief is backing him? Will he go out of control again, only the next time SHOOTING somebody in order to be "first on the draw"?
 
From the information so far, the officer was clearly wrong.
As a professional he should not have gotten into road rage to start with and for sure he was wrong taking his gun out and point it at the wife.
He is lucky he got "only" shot in the legs.
I would sue the city and the cop and file criminal charges!
 
The guy with family certainly did a good job getting his story in the media first. Certainly nothing there that indicates he is lying.
If the police officer's story is really true, they would do best to get it to the media. The 'no comment' line makes it appear that it has little truth.

I was wondering if there were any witnesses. No one behind them at the light?
 
Another thing: How is this officer still on the job with wounds in the legs and arm? Wouldn't that sort of tip off any criminals he encountered?
 
Well, one of our questions has been answered.

The undercover cop was out of his jurisdiction because he lives nearby. He was probably on his way home or on his way back to his jurisdiction when this happened.

The neighbor's comment about his rude driving is pretty interesting, too.

I can see someone with a CCW getting p***** off and pulling a gun. (That's not good, but I can see it.) What I can't see is doing it with his family in the car.

My spidey sense tells me Treptow was in the right here.
 
Here's a summary and analysis from a local Minnesota blogger and carry activist.

Watch that rush to judgment, Chief

Douglas Hester said:
I've waited a few days before commenting on this story, in order to let things shake out. The more they do, however, the more I feel comfortable weighing in on the situation.

The background, for those that aren't from around here:

A man, Martin Treptow, is driving in Coon Rapids, Minnesota on Thursday with his wife and two young children. He gets into a "road rage" type altercation with a man driving another car. Treptow claims that the other motorist was driving very aggressively and unsafely, and he admits to honking and gesturing to him. What happens next is unclear, but Treptow and his family maintain that the other driver ended up pointing a Glock handgun at his car while the two vehicles were stopped at a traffic light. Treptow, a carry permit holder, drew his weapon and fired, hitting the man in the knees and arm. Treptow then drove a few blocks to a gas station, where he and his wife called 911 and waited for police to arrive.

Now, the wrinkle. It turns out that the injured motorist with the Glock is an undercover Robbinsdale, Minnesota police officer. Robbinsdale is about 10 miles away from Coon Rapids, and is in a different county. The Robbinsdale police department maintains that the officer was on duty at the time, and was not in his jurisdiction because he was doing work essential to his job. The Coon Rapids police do not have a record of the officer's operating in their jurisdiction, which is not required but is apparently usually done as a courtesy, as well as to ensure the officer's safety, as he is undercover and not readily identifiable as a cop to the other department's officers.

Treptow is taken into Coon Rapids Police custody on suspicion of aggravated assault, but is released Friday without charges being filed. The Coon Rapids Police is still investigating the case.

So, here's what we're faced with: We have two differing stories. Let's compare them:

1. We have an undercover cop, who hasn't to my knowledge admitted to any involvement at all on his part in the traffic argument, and operating outside of his jurisdiction, claim that he was shot by a motorist while he was sitting at a stoplight, with no apparent provocation on his part.

2. We have a private citizen, with no criminal record save moving violations, driving with his wife and two young children. He admits to arguing with another motorist, and claims that the motorist pointed a handgun at his wife at a stoplight, without ever identifying himself as a police officer. He states that he feared for his and his wife's safety, and neutralized the perceived threat. He then reported the incident at the first available opportunity, after removing his family from the immediate area of the threat.

Who do we believe?

This is a tough one, given the available facts (and they are still coming in), but depending upon whose story you believe, here's what I think should happen:

1. If the officer (who, being undercover, is by definition unable to be identified as a cop, so let's ignore that for a second) was truly an innocent victim, then Mr. Treptow should be charged with felony assault, not for shooting a cop, because Treptow had no way of knowing that, but for use of a deadly weapon to settle a traffic argument with anyone, regardless of who they are. That would be clear misuse of a firearm, and Treptow should be prosecuted fully.

2. If, however, Treptow's story is correct, and the cop pointed his handgun at the family without identifying himself, and Treptow fired in fear of death or great bodily harm, then Treptow's carry permit served just the purpose it was designed to do, which is to allow a person to protect themselves and their families from deadly threats. Cops can commit felonious assaults as well as citizens, even while on duty, and if this is the case here, the officer himself should be jailed and brought up on assault charges.

To their great credit, the Coon Rapids Police Department seems to be investigating the case well and without bias, as shown by the following quote from the article:

"'There's no indication that he's going to be charged or that he's not going to be charged,' Weber said of Treptow. Authorities haven't ruled out charges against the police officer, either."

Unfortunately, we can't say the same of Robbinsdale Police Chief Wayne Shellum, who is loudly trumpeting his officer's innocence, even while the investigation is still continuing:

"Without going into details, Shellum appeared to be standing by his guy Friday. "The focus is, this is a road-rage deal, and some guy with his wife and kids decides to end this thing by shooting somebody," he said.",

and,

"He's in good spirits, and he looked at me and said, 'Geez,' he says, 'I'm sorry, Chief.' And I went, 'Hey, it's not your fault, you're doing your job, you're doing what you're paid to do.' "

We'll see, Chief. I understand and appreciate you backing your officers, but your public comments come dangerously close to trying to affect popular opinion of an active investigation, in my mind. Maybe the officer really does have something to be sorry for.

All in all, a sticky situation all around, but let's see what the Coon Rapids Police come up with before assigning blame either way, shall we? I will say that it looks like the facts to date favor Mr. Treptow's version of events, although I will not defend him if the outcome is different from that perception.
 
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