Man Suspected Of Shooting Officer Released

Status
Not open for further replies.
I would have shot the SOB for pointing a gun at me and my family too. I sincerely hope the undercover cop loses his badge over this.

He found out pretty quick that he ain't 10 foot tall and bullet proof.LOL!!!:neener: I hope other LEO's will take notice of this one.
 
I sincerely hope the undercover cop loses his badge over this.

For the moment let us say that the so called "undercover cop" (we don't know if that is actually true) did as was alleged. Why should it stop at merely being fired. At the very least he needs to be criminally charged, probably with a felony.
 
I just watched a different video...and the driver's door window gets rolled up in it...so no shots through the glass.
 
Last edited:
He still would have had no authority to stop and question them, if he was acting out of anger.
He's a Bad Cop and should be looking for other employment after he gets out for serving 5+ years for Assault With A Deadly Weapon.

Jefferson

I'm just north of where this happened and am very familiar with backed-up traffic in that area.
Two points :
1.) You & I both know that it takes two to tango. I've NEVER been involved in any road rage as long as I don't get pissed off at all of the idiots who cut me off, drive with high beams right behind me, honk at me when I don't see the green light for a nono-second or the miriad other "good" reasons to escalate the situation. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED in road rage when I've given in to my urge to use a warhead-tipped, heat-seeking, guided missle on one of the aforementioned idiots! (Kidding!) I'll honk back, flip the bird or flip on MY high beams - and guess what?! - that's all that is usually needed to get the already-pissed-off other driver to escalate the situation even further.
That's why I believe BOTH parties are at fault.
2.) A cop should NEVER EVER EVER be drawn into such a stupid, juvenile situation. Did I mention NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER EVER EVER?!? No matter what the legal ramifications will be, the under-cover cop should be reprimanded and suspended for a short period of time.
 
I've never, ever, EVER, heard of a scenario where a civilian deliberately shoots a police officer, self defense or not, and is released pending. In every situation I know of they'd rot in jail until after their trial.

I also don't know of any real undercover officer doing something so stupid as getting lured into a road rage scenario and having his cover blown.

SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION:

It's possible that this cop, if really working undercover, may have needed a reason to "come back" without blowing his cover. A real good way to do this would be to drive recklessly and wave a gun around. People call cops on the nut with the gun (never pointed at anyone, for the sake of argument. Just displayed), get arrested outside your jurisdiction, ID as a cop later and have them call your boss.

Except it goes wrong, cop waves the gun around in front of a CCW holder with family, CCW holder freaks (for good reason) and shoots him. Since it happens in another town it's a dual jurisdiction Charlie Foxtrot that takes 12-24 hours to sort out, which would explain why the shooter's released.

My first reaction is that someone did something stupid, my second is my above scenario.
 
911 transcripts

http://ellegon.com/pub/treptow_911.pdf

or

http://madfi.org/post/treptow22.html

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL
COMMUNICATIONS

325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504

Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 1 of 8


1st Call Received at 14:36:37

911 - Police and Fire.

Female Caller - I need, I need a, I need a, on Highway 10.

Male Caller in background - No we're not.

Female Caller - Oh, oh, we're.

911 - Highway, Highway 10 and what?


Female Caller - We're cross, we're on the bridge crossing Highway
10.

911 - Highway 10 and what?

Female Caller - Foley Boulevard. Some ######### just pulled a gun
on us and my hus.

911 - Okay, Highway 10 and Foley Boulevard?

Female Caller - Oh, oh, where are we?

911 - Ma'am, ma'am, can you hear me?


Female Caller - First and Foley Boulevard.

911 - Okay Highway 10 and Foley Boulevard.

Female Caller - Yes, I, I , I think #### might be behind us. ####
pulled a gun on us.

911 - Okay, where is #### now?

Female Caller - (inaudible) shot at #### in self defense. I can't
hear out of my right ear.

911 - Okay, #### shot you or no?


Female Caller - I just can't hear out of my right ear. We've got
kids in the car. I got a five

month old and a, a six year old. Oh, I can't hear!

Male Caller in background - Tori, it's okay honey.

Female Caller - Oh my god!

911 - Ma'am, were you shot?

Female Caller - No. I don't think so, no but I can't hear out of
my ear!


911 - Okay, was someone else shot?

Female Caller - I don't know. We drove away, because #### starting
coming.

911 - Okay, where, where are you now?

Female Caller - I can't talk.

911 - Can you put someone else on the phone?

Male Caller - Pardon me?


911 - Can you hear me sir?

Male Caller - Yes.

911 - Where are you now?

Male Caller - I'm at the Holiday Gas Station off of Foley and
101st.

911 - Okay, who was shot?

Male Caller - Nobody was shot.


911 - Okay.

Male Caller - I, I, I shot back, I shot at #### because ####
pulled a gun on my wife

(inaudible).

911 - So you shot your gun?

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMUNICATIONS

325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504


Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 2 of 8

Male Caller - My gun and I don't think I hit ####. I shot ####
car.

911 - Okay, who did you shoot at?

Male Caller - The, the, a ############### with a gun. Before ####
pulled a gun out on us

next to us. #### pointed it at my wife.

911 - Okay.


Male Caller - #### was (inaudible) from the car.

911 - Okay, where, where did the vehicle go that was shot?

Male Caller - I don't know.

911 - Okay, can you describe the vehicle for me?

Male Caller - It was a ##########. I believe it was a, a
##############.

911 - Okay and it was a ########## driver?


Male Caller - #######################.

Female Caller in background - #### had a white shirt on.

911 - Which way did they go?

Male Caller - #### could have pulled right on Foley Boulevard or
#### could have turned

around. I don't know. I, I, I went over the, I went over the a, the
bridge.

911 - Okay, okay, do you know how many people were in that other
car?


Male Caller - Just ####.

911 - Just ####? Okay.

Male Caller - Yea, just ####.

Female Caller in the background - I need to see if my kids are
okay.

911 - Okay, was it, was it ########## that was shot?

Male Caller - No.


911 - Okay, was a, it was a #### that pulled a gun on you?

Male Caller - I don't know if I shot #### or not.

911 - Okay.

Male Caller - I shot my mirror, the passenger mirror of my
car.

911 - Okay.

Male Caller - Um, but I don't know if, if, if #### was shot or
not.


911 - Okay.

Male Caller - I don't believe so, but I just, I just don't
know.

911 - Okay, did you see #### pull a gun?

Male Caller - Yes, we saw the gun. #### was pointing the gun at my
wife. #### had it out the

window, like maybe a foot from our car.

911 - Okay, what, what is your name sir?


Male Caller - Martin Treptow.

911 - Spell your last name for me.

Male Caller - T-R-E-P-T-O-W.

911 - Okay, was it a, is it a road rage incident, is that what
happened?

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMUNICATIONS

325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504


Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 3 of 8

Male Caller - #### tried to, #### tried to pass us on the shoulder
and I honked at ####.

911 - Okay.

Male Caller - Then #### pulled up, because I was stopped behind a
car that was turning left

and #### was on the shoulder, #### drove up on the shoulder.

911 - Okay.


Male Caller - #### almost hit the side of our car and then after I
honked, #### came up and

started telling me about how I was causing road rage incidents, this and
that and then we

turned and I don't remember the name of that road.

911 - Okay.

Male Caller - Until we turned left onto, oh I just don't know the
name of that road.

911 - Your now, your now at Holiday though, correct?

Male Caller - Yea.


911 - Okay, I want you to stay at Holiday. Can you verify your
cell phone number for me?

Male Caller - Um, honey, what's the cell phone number?

911 - Is it ###-####?

Male Caller - Yea.

911 - Okay, I want you to stay at Holiday. What kind of vehicle
are you in?

Male Caller - I'm in a grey Buick Rendezvous. It's a small
SUV.


911 - A grey Rendezvous?

Male Caller - Yea.

911 - Okay, wait right there, we'll be on the way. Is anyone in
your vehicle hurt?

Male Caller - No.

911 - Okay.

Male Caller - Just my wife's ear.


911 - Okay.

Male Caller - It's sore, but that's just from the noise.

911 - Okay, we're on the way. Thank you very much.

Male Caller - All right.

1st Call Ended at 14:40:41

2nd Call Received at 14:36:45

911 - Police and Fire. Hello?


Caller - Yes, I'd like to report a shoot.

911 - Okay, your cell phone cut out, try again.

Caller - Um I, I would like to report a shooting.

911 - Okay, what type of shooting?

Caller - Um there were two cars in front of us and they were
shooting at each other and there

is a #### laying in the middle of the road or #### is on the side of the
road and the other guy


just took off.

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMUNICATIONS

325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504

Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 4 of 8

911 - Okay, okay.

Caller - #### has been shot.


911 - #### has been?

Caller - Yes.

911 - Okay, and what's the address where #### at?

Caller - Um, we're on Highway 10 and Foley, Foley Boulevard, we're
right over by, well I'm in

front of a house, it's 9858.

911 - Okay and is this the #### that's laying there?


Caller - Yes.

911 - Okay.

Caller - They are talking to ####.

911 - Un huh.

Caller - But we saw the vehicles, they we're arguing before.

911 - Okay.


Caller - Oh, we we're right behind them.

911 - And is it on 10, are you on 10 or Foley?

Caller - We're on Foley.

911 - Okay and what, do you have a description of the
vehicles?

Caller - Um, the #### that was shot, is driving, was driving a
###############. It's, ## fell

out of the car um, cuz I seen #### pull a gun and I almost crapped in my
pants.


911 - Okay, what was. Do you have a description of the suspect
vehicle?

Caller - Yes, it was a grey and I'll ask my husband when he comes
back, what type it was.

But it was like a SUV.

911 - Okay, did you get a plate number at all?

Caller - No I didn't.

911 - Okay, do you know which direction it took off?


Caller - Yes, #### came up from Foley, #### took a left at the
stop lights.

911 - Okay, do you know what, do you know what street?

Caller - No.

911 - Okay, so what direction on Foley?

Caller - Um, left on Foley.

911 - Oh, okay, so #### came up off of Highway 10 then?


Caller - Okay, yea that must be it. Ten, oh, I don't know what the
name of that route, wait a

minute let me look. Okay, oh I hear police coming now.

911 - Okay, so, so you think #### was coming what direction on
north bound, on Foley?

Caller - #### was coming from, um there's a theater over
here.

911 - Okay, was #### going northbound or southbound, do you
know?

Caller - Um, #### going south.


911 - Okay, then #### turned, #### took what direction on
ten.

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMUNICATIONS

325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504

Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 5 of 8

Caller - #### came up to the stop light which was a, which was
Foley.


911 - Okay.

Caller - And then #### took a left on Foley.

911 - So southbound on Foley.

Caller - Yes.

911 - Okay, okay, we do have help on the way okay.

Caller - Okay, Thank you very much.


911 - You're welcome.

Caller - Un huh Bye.

2nd Call Ended at 14:39:23

3rd Call Received at 14:37:11

911 - Police and Fire.

Caller - A yes, an ####### just got shot on 99th and Foley.

911 - ####### just got what?


Caller - Shot on 99th and Foley.

911 - ####### just got shot?

Caller - Yea, #### laying here on the ground.

911 - 99th & Foley.

Caller - Yea.


911 - Okay are you looking at this now?

Caller - Yea, I'm right here with ###.

911 - Okay, what's your name?

Caller - My name is Tori. #### right here. #### right here.

911 - Tori?

Caller - Yes.


911 - What's your cell phone number Tori?

Caller - ###-####, area code ###.

911 - Do you know where the suspect is?

Caller - No, no, #### just laying here on the ground. Could
somebody come right now?

911 - We've got help coming.

Caller - Okay.


911 - Is there a, are there any sus. Hello? Tori?

3rd Call Ended at 14:37:58

4th Call Received at 14:38:10

911 - Police and Fire, is this an emergency?

State Patrol - Yes, State with a transfer. ####### down, go ahead
####.

Caller - ####### down, I've been shot.

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMUNICATIONS


325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504

Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 6 of 8

911 - Are they on Highway 10?

Caller - The guy is driving, The guy is been driving a Rendezvous.
He is driving a silver color

Rendezvous, I don't know the plate. He headed a.


911 - What a.

Caller - Down Foley Boulevard.

911 - What.

Caller - Taking a left.

911 - What color Pontiac Rendezvous was it?

Caller - It's a Rendezvous, a silver colored Rendezvous. Occupied
by a, a white male and a


white female.

911 - Okay, which way, which way did they.

Caller - I was shot, I was shot in the leg.

911 - Which, which way did they go on Foley?

Caller - They a, they took a left on Foley.

911 - So they're going. So, so, so are they going towards the a,
Hanson Boulevard or are


they going down towards the Coon Rapids Boulevard?

Caller - Don't touch me man, don't touch me.

911 - Hello?

Caller - I was shot in the leg.

911 - Which way.

Caller - I was shot in the leg.


911 - Which way, which way are they going on Foley?

Caller talking to someone in background - Nope, Nope, no
tourniquet. Okay, okay, they

went the opposite way. They went towards a, they went towards a.

911 - Went towards, did they go towards Show Place 16 or did they
go the other way? Hello?

Hello? Hello?

Caller talking to responding officers - I've been shot man.

911 - Hello?


Caller talking to responding officers - I've been shot man.

911 - Hello?

Caller talking to responding officers - Down that way.

911 to other Dispatchers - I'm getting it as a suspect.

Caller talking to responding officers - Road rage incident. He
ends up pulling his gun out, I

pulled my gun out. He shoots. I caught it, caught it in the arm and the
leg.


4th Call Ended at 14:40:07

5th Call Received at 14:38:16

911 - Police and Fire, is this an emergency?

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMUNICATIONS

325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504

Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 7 of 8


Caller - Yes it is. You better get somebody over to the Showcase
a.

911 - Showplace.

Caller - Yes.

911 - What's going on?

Caller - There's a #### on the ground and a #### car damn near hit
me.

911 - Oh, we have help on the way. Stay on the phone ma'am, okay.
Okay, ma'am we do


have help on the way. Hold on one second please.

5th Call Placed on Hold at 14:38:40

5th Call Continued at 14:38:45

911 - Hi, what can I help you with?

Caller - Yes, I'm on. There's a ######### on the ground at Foley
and 99th, a I can hear the

ambulance or police, but.

911 - Okay, there's a person on the ground. Where? On Foley or on
Highway 10?


Caller - Um, they're actually on 99th. The cops are pulling up
there right now, but.

911 - Okay, can you tell me if it is an officer or a person, or a
civilian?

Caller - The ##################################### and #### looks
civilian. I'd a, I'm

not sure, but #### in a white t-shirt. Um, #### I, #### didn't look like
#### was injured um

where #### was in like life threat (inaudible) car or whatever. Damn near
hit my car.

911 - Okay, are you injured or you involved in the accident part
of it at all?

Caller - I'm fine. I just don't know what's going on with ####.
Somebody has to get there to


help ####.

911 - Okay, well they are already. Did you say you saw an officer
pulling up?

Caller - One pulled up one way, but the other one. Now there is
another one coming. So I

just, I didn't know if anybody called.

911 - Okay, did you see what happened?

Caller - No, I was coming out of the theater, I just, all of a
sudden I seen this car coming at

me and I thought oh my God is #### gonna hit me and I just put it in
reverse and thank God


there was nobody behind me.

911 - Okay, what's your name ma'am?

Caller - My name is Jodi.

911 -J-O-D-I?

Caller - Yes that's correct.

911 - Spell your last name Jodi.


Caller - K-O-L-Q-U-I-S-T.

911 - Okay, alright, so was as #### coming at you head on?

Caller - No, it was, it was the car, the car was going backwards
with the doors open.

911 - Okay, alright. Do you see, can you see anything any
more?

Caller - No, I, when the police came, I'm, I'm on my way home. I
don't know if they need to

ANOKA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMUNICATIONS


325 East Main Street, Anoka MN 55303

Office (763) 323-5820 Fax 763-422-7504

Incident Number: 07129766 - June 7, 2007 Highway 10/Foley Blvd NW,
Coon Rapids

Page 8 of 8

talk to me, I can give you my address.

911 - Okay, what is, what is your address?

Caller - My address is ##.


911 - Un huh.

Caller - ##############################.

911 - Okay, alrighty and what's your home phone number Jodi?

Caller - A #, a ###.

911 -Un huh.

Caller - ###.


911 - Okay.

Caller -####.

911 - I'm sorry, ####?

Caller - No it's a, uh oh, here comes some more cops. Ah, it's
#-###-###-####.

911 - Okay, okay, I'm gonna have them contact you at home if they
need to speak with you

okay?


Caller - Okey dokey.

911 - Okay, thanks Jodi.

Caller -Bye, bye.

911 - Bye. Bye.

5th Call Ended at 14:40:55
 
Nooooo!!!!nooooo!!!

And, slower traffic keep left. This helps immensely with the hotheads.
slow_keep_right.jpg
 
Wierd case

I tend to side with cops, but I cant see a ccw holder endangering his wife and kids like that.
How do we figure who pulled a gun first?
 
There's a lot of major road construction going on in that area and it really makes for some back ups in traffic. I could see where road rage could easily come to the front around there. Then, just add in MN drivers, on the whole and it gets even worse. I'm siding with Treptow right now, as Officer "Friendly's" statements and actions just don't add up. There are a few LEOS that let the power of the badge go to their head.
 
how old are his kids? be interesting to heear from them
as to a guy pulling in rage in front of kids we had a guy here lose vit driving wreck and paralyze his infant daughter got a bye in court for it figured he'd been punished enough
 
Since there were eye witnesses and the shooter is walking around free and the shootee is a cop.. I'm gonna go with "the usual suspects" on this one.

If it turns out that the cop acted in an entirely approriate manner, I'll be happy to say "oops, my bad".

If it turns out that the cop pulled his gun first, I'm sure we'll see some brandishing charges at the very least right?:rolleyes:
 
things I see

Treptow, the permit holder, got away from the threat and was the first to call 911

Mrs. Treptow (Female Caller - Call #1) said, "Some ######### just pulled a gun on us and my husband." Her transcript shows she was clearly under a great deal of stress, which lessens the likelihood that she was fabricating. If so, she is one heck of an actress. She repeats that statement a couple of lines later.

One caller says he saw the officer pull a gun. An important question is how long was it between the time that he saw the officer pull the gun and the time the officer was shot?

Caller - Um, the #### that was shot, is driving, was driving a
###############. It's, ## fell

out of the car um, cuz I seen #### pull a gun and I almost crapped in my
pants.


Likely scenario?

My thought is that the “undercover officer” pulled his firearm out of anger and to intimidate. He was not ready to engage. Treptow was – when he saw the threat to his family, he pulled his weapon and fired. That is why the length of the time gap mentioned above could be key. If the officer claims that he drew his weapon in response to Treptow brandishing a firearm, if there is a gap in time, then that would undercut the officer’s story. If you believe his story, he drew in response to Treptow pulling a gun on him. Wouldn’t he immediately have shot the man who he thought was trying to kill him? He can’t sell an explanation that he didn't shoot because he was afraid of hitting the children – he does not mention the children when he does call 911, just a white male and white female.
 
If it turns out that the cop pulled his gun first, I'm sure we'll see some brandishing charges at the very least right?

Minnesota does not have a "bradishing" law but only assault laws.

This case the permit holder did what I would have done. Reach across my wife and shoot the SOB multiple times. :cuss: My wife agrees with me. ;)
 
Interesting thread. I shared this with my wife last night, and we both think the limited evidence thus far favors the permit holder.
 
My thoughts are that a jury should hear the facts and decide. If the undercover did pull and aim I can only go back on my "training."

Don't aim unless you have cause to shoot.
Don't shoot unless you intend to do deadly damage.
When in doubt leave your courage in your pocket until you are sure.

Having a weapon pointed at you is more than cause and that act is reason enough to respond with deadly damage. If this was the case... I wasn't there so I don't know.

Selena
 
latest news

On this old story/thread.

Which went to grand jury, resulting in indictments for both the permit holder and the officer.

Robbinsdale cop indicted: Road rage

By JIM ADAMS, Star Tribune

Last update: December 20, 2007 - 4:46 PM

A Robbinsdale police officer was indicted today with making terroristic threats in a June road-rage incident in which another driver shot him in the leg.

Landen Beard, 27, was indicted in Anoka County District Court, where the other driver was charged Wednesday for his role in the rolling argument in Coon Rapids.

Beard's attorney, Bill Michael, said after today's hearing that he and his client were "completely surprised ... the facts as we know them don't warrant any charge." Beard declined to comment today.

Michael said Beard will plead not guilty.

Martin Treptow, 35, is charged with three felonies: making terroristic threats, driveby shooting and reckless discharge of a firearm. Treptow, who has a gun permit, has claimed he shot Beard, an undercover officer in plain clothes, to protect his wife and two children who were in his SUV that day.

Michael said Beard has a different recollection of what happened. According to Beard: After passing Treptow on the shoulder, Beard got in an argument with him. Beard pulled his gun after seeing Treptow's gun but did not fire because Treptow's wife was between them.

Michael said Beard identified himself as an officer during the shooting.

Treptow's attorney, Kurt Glaser, said the account Michael gave was "inconsistent with independent witness statements."

The two men have opposing versions of who pulled a gun first.

A county grand jury heard evidence in the case for two days last week; including testimony from Martin Treptow's wife, Rebecca Treptow, numerous officers and four civilian witnesses. Treptow voluntarily testified before the grand jury and answered a prosecutor's questions, Glaser said.

Treptow has said Beard, seated in a car right by Treptow's SUV, pointed his gun at Rebecca Treptow, seated in the front passenger seat by her husband. Their two young children were in the back seat that afternoon near Foley Boulevard and 99th Avenue, not far from Beard's home. Treptow has said Beard, driving an unmarked car, did not identify himself as an officer.

Treptow, a security business manager, reacted that day as he had been trained to do as a security guard and bodyguard, said Glaser.

Treptow drove away from the scene and called police minutes later to report the shooting near Foley and Hwy. 10. Treptow was booked and released without bail Wednesday.

Beard also was released today without bail and ordered to be booked at the jail within 24 hours.

Beard, who was on duty during the incident and had continued working undercover for Robbinsdale police, will placed on paid administrative leave until the case is resolved, said Police Chief Wayne Shellum.

Shellum has said that Beard has had no discipline troubles or complaints during his four years on the force.

Shellum described Beard as a good, steady and reliable officer with good evaluations.

If Beard is convicted of a felony charge, he would automatically lost his officer's license from the Minnesota Board of Peace Officer Standards and Training, said executive director Neal Melton.

Jim Adams • 612-673-7658

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/12666302.html

Here are the actual indictments for both Beard (the officer) and Treptow:

http://benjaminmayerphotography.blogspot.com/2007/12/martin-treptow-indictment.html


http://benjaminmayerphotography.blogspot.com/2007/12/landen-beard-indictment.html
 
Well, since it seems we can speculate about who actually brandished first, whether the officer ever identified himself or exactly how the shooting went down, can I suggest another possible point of speculation?

Does it seem that Treptow could have avoided ANY encounter after the undercover officer did (or did not) drive past him in a dangerously aggressive manner?

Frankly, I would hope I would have disengaged after getting ANY inkling about an off-balance driver. But that's due in part to the fact that I commute on a motorcycle, so someone brandishing a bumper is as big a threat to me as someone brandishing a handgun.

But it seems plausible to me that Treptow could have avoided ending up cheek by jowl with the cop at the traffic light, especially after exchanging angry gestures, words and whatnot. If that's the case, then we must ask ourselves, even if we prefer not to, whether his carrying in anyway influenced him to continue the confrontation.

I raise this as a possible counterpoint to those who might assert that CCW makes one act more responsibly or that CCW can reduce road rage. I see valid arguments all around, but I think the specifics really depend on the individual.

None of this is to excuse any boorish or illegal behavior on the part of the police. But, at the end of the day, what resulted was gunplay in front of the family. I for one, intend to avoid that. Not at ANY cost, of course. But for sure at a cost of a lane change, slight delay in my journey, etc.
 
I can't see how Treptow can be charged with those things. Drive-by shooting? He called 911 immediately after and explained. Defending yourself from a car is not a drive-by. Reckless discharge? He hit his target. Terroristic threats? Is it a threat if you do it?

Need more info.
 
But it seems plausible to me that Treptow could have avoided ending up cheek by jowl with the cop at the traffic light, especially after exchanging angry gestures, words and whatnot. If that's the case, then we must ask ourselves, even if we prefer not to, whether his carrying in anyway influenced him to continue the confrontation.

One could just as easily ask if being a cop in any way forced the other driver to continue in the confrontation.

Since the police officer was the apparent aggressor in the road rage incident, it does lead one to believe that he may have been the one to initiate the gun play, but that is pure speculation. After all, he was an undercover cop out of his jurisdiction. So, unless the shooter was the subject of an undercover operation or the officer had just watched him commit a felony, there is little reason for the officer to have been "doing his duty" by drawing a weapon on him.

Since we do not have access to the statements of the other witnesses, we will not know the answer to that.
 
Divemedic, your observations are cogent. I just phrased my speculative analysis here the way I did because many, but not all, on this thread seem ready to conclude "good CCW private citizen" / "bad cop" without, as you note, the access to the full story.

In fact, I think anyone in favor of CCW should be concerned that this could in actuality be a case of what happens when TWO people carrying concealed act like jerks.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top