Manhattan millionaire faces 3 years in jail for pulling ‘unlicensed’ gun on burglar

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Remember poor ol' Plaxico? he was a multi-millionaire and went to the Big House for a year or two... Of course if it were you or me, probably would have been ten.
I live in Illinois where we do not yet have any form of legal concealed carry. Of course the thugs carry all the time, but so do a lot of law abiding citizens who fear for their safety.
Ermmmm...by definition, then they are not "law-abiding". :rolleyes:
 
I believe it to be our duty as the framers so put it to ignore unconstitutional laws. So they are law abiding.

As for this poor guy I really don't see how using a body guards gun is a crime.
 
he was a millionaire, why didn't he buy his permit like the others?
 
Remember poor ol' Plaxico? he was a multi-millionaire and went to the Big House for a year or two... Of course if it were you or me, probably would have been ten.

Ermmmm...by definition, then they are not "law-abiding". :rolleyes:
I would NOT detain, process or prosecute them. No different then resistance fighters carrying weapons in Europe during WWII.
 
I would NOT detain, process or prosecute them. No different then resistance fighters carrying weapons in Europe during WWII.

particularly when the nazi and new york governments are so similar with regards to who they allow to get gun permits.
 
1A can be defended with Larry Flynt as a complaintant. 2A requires saints as complaintants.
Wasn't Miller a mobster? He was good enough to get us "milita" arms, but not SBS's ('cuz he was murdered-by-mobsters before his court date and therefore couldn't justify their militia utility)

There's more reasons besides credibility we need these guys to be clean...

TCB
 
No. I'm curious where you got that stuff. He was a bootlegger. He was convicted of bootlegging and the new NFA gun charge. Served his time on the bootlegging charge. On appeal his gun charge was overturned as unconstitutional. He finished his sentence and was never heard from again. Probably dead. The federal government appealed to the SCOTUS. He really had nothing to gain by paying a lawyer to go to the Supreme Court for him. He was already out, or dead. His lawyer didn't go because he didn't have a client.
 
Correct, I thought he was hooked up in organized crime, but he was only bootlegging (this guy hit the unconstitutional jackpot--quite a patriot, one might say ;))

Wikipedia said he was found shot before the court proceedings (I assume it was because we still associating with fellows of ill repute, but it may not have been). My point was "clean" plaintiffs stick around more--though baddies are perfectly capable of getting bogus laws rescinded if their attorney is any good (or bothers to show up).

I also realized that the ruling has a rather disconcerting logic; civvies' arms should not be restricted so long as they are servicible by an organized militia (contradicts current bans, etc.). However, by that same logic, if there are no organized militia (they are essentially dead as far as their original function goes), then there is no justifiable need for civilians to have anything! :eek:

Maybe I'm missing something here. The ruling also implies that the military has different weapons rights than civvies, since organized militia was the termed used for the units which our weapons are to be useful for. So the old saw about howitzers and machineguns being legal by this ruling is bogus (except for the fact that many urban police organizations now use SBR/S's and machine guns)

A better "restriction" would have been "any weapon that is likely unable to be used for legal purposes" --so no daisy cutters or indirect-fire weapons that likely cannot be used without some recklessness or lack of control ;). All point and click interfaces up man-portable size would be protected, however (unless their sights were really, really off). This statement puts the burden-of-ban on the banners, not the law-abiding, to justify a restriction.

TCB
 
This happens with some regularity in NYC. There have been several HD shootings where the shoot was 100% legal, but the homeowner got tagged for the unlicensed firearm. The law isn't new. These events also go on in Chicago with some regularity as well.
 
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As the cops are so fond of saying, EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
Also, doctrine of competing harms. I don't have much sympathy for anyone with a 187K jewel encrusted belt buckle. That money would have been better invested in figuring out a way to befriend the licensing officials and get a permit.
 
New York's laws in this regard are immoral and clear violations of the individual human right to self defence. Until enough people recognize this and speak out for change, people will continue to be punnished for doing what is right in terms of defending themselves and their property. I would have loved to see the homeowner simply state "I have a human right to defend myself from violence and crime, and I have done nothing wrong, despite what the law says." instead of playing the "It's my body guard's" defence. We are not going to recover our civil rights by cowering and sitting at the back of the bus.
 
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I see Bloomburg getting involved and getting the guy off on a suspended misdemeanor charge. After all, Bloomburg needs someone to do his dry cleaning for free for a while.
 
He should have used a double barrel shot gun and just blasted a couple of times out the balcony window...:neener:
 
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