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D.C. businessman faces two years in jail for unregistered ammunition, brass casing

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by steelerdude99, Oct 23, 2013.

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  1. MagnunJoe

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    Please do not say DC area. I'm from Annandale, Virginia, just across the bridge, it's like a whole other country only 10 miles away from the ghetto.
     
  2. steelerdude99

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    An update on the case .... Wednesday, March 26, 2014

    In the Mark Witaschek trial, Judge Morin didn't know what a muzzleloader bullet was or if it was regulated under DC firearms laws. But he still convicted Witaschek and said, “I’m persuaded these are bullets. They look like bullets. They are hollow point. They are not musket balls.

    Emily Miller - Washington Times

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/26/miller-exclusive-shock-verdict-mark-witaschek-guil/

    chuck
     
  3. kevinakaq

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    Unbelievable....you need a lab to open up a shotgun shell. Just goes to show how out of touch with reality these people are. They have zero idea over the items they so vociferously despise. I don't even want to begin on the musket ball line...

    Well since you cant argue with ignorant people i must sincerely ask how do we educate people like this? Such gross missunderstandings of blackpowder guns and shells is appalling when your fate is being decided. Was the defense any more knowledgeable and afforded the opportunity to correct? So many questions to ask once I close my jaw which still remains agape in suprise.
     
  4. Willie Sutton

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    This is an absolutely obscene miscarriage of justice.

    I assume an appeal of the facts is possible?


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  5. DHJenkins

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    I don't understand why people who don't live in DC care about what goes on there.

    It's like The Vatican in Rome. Special this, special that - doesn't apply to the surrounding area, let alone the rest of the country.

    DC is not a proving ground. It is a not a model city for anything. Yes, lots of important decisions are made there, but the people that make those decisions either don't live there or live in an economic "green zone".

    Sorry to everyone who's getting railroaded there, but that's your choice; as a grown-up, you can choose where you live and where you go.
     
  6. kevinakaq

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    "Sorry to everyone who's getting railroaded there, but that's your choice; as a grown-up, you can choose where you live and where you go."

    It is part of the united states of america.....not a state, but part of nonetheless. Last i read the bill of rights and the constitution still 'legally' applied. Whether or not they are being upheld though is in question. If we all leave the states states (or districts) whose laws we dont agree with we will soon find ourselves outnumbered by those states we left and at the mercy of the voters who remain. Every state and district is a battleground worth fighting for....not one inch in retreat...each battle lost should be after a hard fight and not because we withdrew to safer ground.

    The strong decision is to move to those states that are antigun and vote...and i freely would have to question if i am that dedicated.

    Least that is my two overpriced cents of opinion spoken from the safety of a state who protects the second admendment rights of its voters.....

    Kevin
     
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    It's also illegal to have brass in your car....just the freaking brass!!
     
  8. steelerdude99

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    Hi DHJenkins,
    I don’t live in DC, but an area with bad gun laws such a short distance from me in VA gives me reason for concern. I did not vote for the democratic governor VA now has, but if an anti-gun bill crosses his desk … it will be signed.

    As a matter of fact, what if some locality in Northern VA decided preemption was no longer important and decided a local carry permit was needed and decided “may-issue” was going to be the way they roll. The new state democratic AG may say… “Fine by me”. By the way, this AG has already unilaterally decided that a 2006 amendment to the state constitution would not be enforced.

    Chuck
     
  9. CoalTrain49

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    DC is hole above ground. What do you expect?
     
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    Our nation's capital has become a cesspool of corrupt politicians and unconstitutional laws, instead of the shining example that it was once intended to be.

    If it weren't for the Smithsonian it would be a total embarrassment!
     
  11. Elkins45

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    Thinking long term (since the article says they will appeal the conviction) wouldn't this law be found to be at odds with Heller? Sucks for him, but eventually this law might be overturned for permit holders if not the public altogether.

    I'm still trying to figure out why they ever let this one go to trial.
     
  12. MagnumDweeb

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    So I'm never ever going to D.C. because they might find a spent piece of brass under my driver's seat from years back and convict me on garbage charges. I just can't believe a jury convicted but since it's D.C. and the jury pool is likely more anti-american than what we have here in Florida, I realize I should believe it.

    D.C. gave us Heller, but I'm still convinced we ought to turn it into a toxic waste dumping site.
     
  13. kevinakaq

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    " I just can't believe a jury convicted but since it's D.C. and the jury pool is likely more anti-american than "

    The way i understand it the charges were reduced by the DA specifically to avoid a jury trial. Case was decided by a judge.
     
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    Whew, I'm glad he was convicted of "attempted possession of unlawful ammunition"! No civilized society can let such heinous "attempted" crimes go un-punished.
     
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    I grew up in DC. Until I heard about this case, I didn't realize I've been breaking the law ever since I was a kid.

    I spent a lot of time at my grandparents house in the country, and I used to bring home fired bullets, casings, and even a few live rounds.

    My family owned a roofing business and my dad and I used to collect the fired bullets we found on roofs (the bullets came down with just enough force to puncture the roofing materiel but didn't penetrate the wood below). We had a collection of about 30 loose bullets.

    Little did I know that I've been a criminal ever since I was a kid. I'm so glad I live in the other Washington now. It's pretty much the opposite when it comes to gun rights.
     
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    Does anyone know what the judge was actually looking for by opening the shells? And is he now a convicted felon? This whole thing is ridiculous.
     
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    from the Washington times article -

    "In the afternoon on Wednesday, Judge Morin shook the plastic shell and tried to listen to something inside. He said he could not hear any gunpowder. He then asked the lawyers to open the shell to see if there was powder inside.

    (This seemed like a bizarre request since the lack of primer — not gunpowder — would be relevant to the interoperability of the misfired shell.)

    Assistant Attorney General Peter Saba said that the government wanted to open the shell but that, “It is dangerous to do outside a lab.”

    The prosecutors and police officers left the courtroom to try to find a lab that was open in the afternoon to bring the judge to cut the plastic off the section that holds the pellets. When that proved not possible in the same day, the judge decided to just rule on the bullets."
     
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    And I'll also bet they don't know that a Private Pilot still CAN NOT fly into National Airport. Ever.
    And can't fly into the "DC-3" (Hyde, Potomac, College Park) unless they DRIVE there first and spend a day schleping between various alphabet soup agencies to get a special security clearance and "code" to use when filing their "special flight plan".

    The ONLY place in the country where you have to do that.

    I spent 28 years living in that area before I "escaped" to SC in late 2006. For those of you living outside the DC beltway, the government isn't as screwed up as you think ... it's at least 10X worse than you can POSSIBLY imagine.
     
  19. Sniper66

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    Good god!!!!! This is an absolute nightmare perpetrated by swat team lunatics, out of control prosecutors, and a woefully ignorant judge . I hope this gets the national attention and outrage it deserves. This family of victims should be the poster family for major government reform. This is terrifying for bystanders like us; one can only imagine what this is like for this family. May god be with them!!!!!!!!
     
  20. tomrkba

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    This man is now a felon based upon the most ridiculous circumstance possible.

    Look...we know the DC gun laws are unconstitutional without a SCOTUS decision. We also know SCOTUS will rule in such a way to maintain the status quo. We need to make a very strong push to return the 2A to prominence and remind the government that it has no power over the right to keep and bear arms in Federal territory. Unfortunately, gun owners will not do so.
     
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  21. Trent

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    What the hell ...
     
  22. we are not amused

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    Same here! My MG Midget had a bulk pack of .22LR tear open and scatter the shells in and under the seat, carpeting and various nooks and crannies. I am still finding the occasional round when cleaning the car.

    By the way, this may have been the law in D.C. for a few years, but I have never heard of it being enforced against an otherwise innocent person! This is KGB and Gestapo thuggery at its very worst! Another example of Liberal (in)Justice at work! I seem to remember NBC News hack David Gregory display an illegal 30 round magazine on air, with no charges being filed.
     
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    From your lips to God's ears.
     
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    "unregistered ammunition"
    This is really a DC law??? How does one go about registering ammo???
    And BTW, a miss-fired round is still considered live, both legally and practically.
     
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