Many people think they can't buy guns.

[jsalcedo]

i thought the waiting period was still in effect for handguns./QUOTE]

and just now I find out there ain't any waiting period on handguns?

I guess I need to keep up better. I have been wanting to get a Walther .22 pistol.

Wow I posted something useful for once

I was the exact same way up to 5 years ago

I did not buy any handguns from gun shops from 1993 till 2000 for the reason I didn't want to be on a Brady handgun check registry.

I then saw a Argentine sistema in 2000 and had to buy it. Only then did I find out about the instant check.

 

[GigaBuist]

Before the Mi CHL became an option I knew a few guys who weren't interested in handguns because of both the waiting period(currently +/- 8 business days but a non-issue w/the CHL) & the fact that the handgun needs to be registered w/the State.

Uh, 41mag, if MI has a handgun 'waiting period' for non CHL/CCW holders there's more than a few gun dealers in Western MI that I need to turn in.

Aside from going to the local PD and paying for permission to purchase one, not a big deal. I still hate it, but it works.

Anyway...

Yeah the misinformation stuff was working on me until I was 21 (this is 2001). I wasn't raised pro-gun but I wasn't raised anti-gun by any stretch of the imagination. It was just that everybody had hunting guns or a shotgun for critter control. Well, growing up we kept a shotgun around for HD, but I was never taught how to actually use the thing. I pretty much had my head in the sand regarding defense.

All it took was ONE range trip when I was 21 with a co-worker that herded a bunch of us up. He was (err, IS) a Marine with a gun addiction. A few auto-chucking pistols, revolvers, shotgun, AK-47... oh yeah, I'm hooked. Went with me to my 1st gun show, bought my first pistol that day. Bought another one the next day. I was a newbie, but I knew I needed both a 9mm and .45ACP. Our company split up not too long after and I lost touch with him. When the company split up I had a CZ-75B, Glock 21, and Remington 870. I often wonder what he'd say if he saw the collection NOW. I think he'd be rather happy with his effort.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Many people think they can't buy guns
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Like when someone says, You can't own a machine gun.

I ask, Who told you that?

Oh, everybody knows that.

I tell them, Than you and everybody is wrong, because thousands of us own them. You have to stop believing what ABC, NBC and CBS tells you, they lie.

 

[fistful]

I don't get it. How can people think it's so tough to own a gun when we are constantly told that it is too easy to get one? The way the media flips out over the "arsenals" the police are always finding, do people think there is a limit to the number one may buy?

I know the errornet is a bad place to ask for legal advice, but let me just ask anyway. In Missouri, where there is no registration but a thirty-day permit is required to purchase a handgun, can I loan a gun to a friend?

A few years ago, some female friends of mine were living in the first story of a two-story house. Some creepy guy moved in above them, and frightened them by some rather disturbing, drunken behavior. In my youthful foolishness, I advised them to borrow a handgun from a friend of ours, even though they were totally inexperienced and were not even psychologically prepared for this (I didn't have a handgun suitable for the inexperienced). They insisted that this would be illegal, as the gun was not registered to them. I told them that there is no registration in Missouri.

I did give them a couple of baseball bats.

 

[c_yeager]

I have noticed that the general public falls into two general categories when it comes to this issue.

There are the people that spend their day watching cable news, these people think that anyone can walk into a walmart and buy full auto AK47s and RPGs.

In the other group you have the people who watch NYC based police dramas who believe that reams of paperwork are needed to even look at a gun.

Then there is a small group of people (some pro-gun, some anti-gun) who actually know how it works in real life. These people are the VAST minority.

 

[WhoKnowsWho]

Almost everybody I speak to who doesn't already know, thinks all the guns you buy have to be personally registered, etc etc. I am trying to fix that misconception one by one. But most also think full auto is cheap and easy to get at Wal-Mart.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

jsalcedo wrote:

The only thing cooling off periods are for is to keep black eyed and bloody nosed wives and girlfriends from defending themselves against their abusers.

Great article about this very thing appears in the current issue of the NRA's America's First Freedom. Running alongside the edge of each page of the article are the names of women (and some men) who were murdered by those against whom they had a so-called "Order of Protection." If there has been only one utterly misnamed thing in all of history, it is the "Order of Protection," which provides nothing at all in the form of "protection." And the shameful, disgraceful fact is that organizations that urge women to RELY on them are not held accountable when women get killed because they were led to think that somehow, somehow, murder couldn't happen to them because they possessed a piece of paper with some writing on it. :banghead:

-Jeffrey

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

Almost everybody I speak to who doesn't already know, thinks all the guns you buy have to be personally registered, etc etc. I am trying to fix that misconception one by one. But most also think full auto is cheap and easy to get at Wal-Mart.

I have to hope that there is a very special part of hell reserved for the kind of scum who capitalize on, and foster, this kind of confusion on the part of the public.

It takes a special kind of evil scumbag to believe so strongly in a WRONG CAUSE that he willfully distorts the truth, or tells outright lies, in order to get people confused enough to believe that his policy is the correct one. That is the typical anti-gunner. The truth would send people flying out of his camp, so he lies.

-Jeffrey

 

[thorn726]

The "Cooling Off Argument" has been shown to be FALSE in serious studies. See John Lott's second book "The Bias Against Guns", for an analysis of how cooling off periods have NO effect on crime rates in areas where they are present.

Cooling off periods are just a way for "social engineers" to exert a form of control over those they detest--persons who can control more of their own destiny, better known as "gun owners".

Forget cooling off periods, forget waiting periods. The only thing I've ever personally observed that has had an effect on first-time buyers is a firearms safety class, in order to educate people who really have no idea what they're doing and could put themselves or others at risk. This type of thing can be dealt with in a very few short hours of safety training.

THank you, i am fully satisfied!.


i knew there was an easy answer.
the rest of you thanks also. this is all good info.
you guys are breaking down the last of any support i have had for a lot of these regulations. heheh.

unfortunately people need to wake up and realise there are just too many crazies running around with guns to keep taking them away from the sane people.

 

[StopTheGrays]

A person I work with who is pro-gun/concealed carry and owns handguns, rifles and shotguns is still convinced that he cannot own more than 10 guns. He thinks it is either a state or Fed law. I keep telling him there is no such law but he does not believe me.

 

[Zach S]

Yup.

And most people I know who have a CCW license don't know that (in Idaho, at least) an FFL does not have to make a NICS call when you purchase a gun--if you have a CCW license. You fill our your 4473, pay your money, and walk out with your gun.

Its like that here in NC as well. However, its only been like that since 08/04 (for handguns), and if not for hanging out here and the range so often I doubt I'd know.

I've met a lot of folks expecting the purchase permit to be expensive and have extensive paperwork, with a waiting period to buy the gun after all that. Some have outright called me a liar when I informed them of what it actually consist of. For CHP holders in my county (before 08/04), all we had to do was go in and hand the guy our CHP, and he printed one out.

As for CCW most dont have a clue. "You have to be a PI or a cop." "You have to have a reason, like carrying large amounts of cash." "You have to be a security gaurd." "You have to be pollitically connected." "You have to be an expert marksman."

No, here in NC, you need a pulse, 175 to 200 clams (total - class, sherriff's dept, various disclosure fees), a clean record, a handgun, holster, and a free Saturday. Dont have a handgun? He'll rent one to ya, and loan you a holster as well (dont laugh, its happened). If you can come out your holster and empty the magazine in a pie-plate at 5 yards, you'll pass.

Its no wonder less than 1% of NC residents have their CHPs, not many people know its possible.

 

[TimRB]

My neighbor, who is one of those infuriating gun-owning gun-haters, told me one day (during a semi-argument on gun control) that, "as required by law" he registered his shotgun with the local sheriff. Now even where we live, in PRK, registration of a long gun is not generally required.

After I collected my jaw up off the floor I explained the situation to him, but I'm sure that he still doesn't believe me. (Or, for that matter, understand the significance of registering his gun...)

Tim

 

[Henry Bowman]

Of course I know you blue state folks have to jump naked through flaming hoops blindfolded to buy and own handguns but if people knew how draconian their laws are compared to the rest of the US maybe it would urge citizens into pushing for repeal.

Not necessarily. I have been surprised at how many blue staters and red state liberals will tell you that they "do not want that much freedom." They don't want you to have it and it is of no value to them. :banghead:

 

[geekWithA.45]

I have been surprised at how many blue staters and red state liberals will tell you that they "do not want that much freedom."

In my observation, 100% of the time, people who reject the desirability of at least the possibility of freedom do so out of well hidden deep character flaws.

This has become a very reliable red flag for me, in assessing other folks.

A well formed human spirit will not object to seeking guidance from an earthly "higher power", but this is different from the poorly formed spirit's desire to substitute the "wisdom" and "judgement" of another for their own.

Incomplete people are all too frightened of their own power and responsibility, and are all too willing to fling it at the first plausible character to come along, whether it's the white bearded sky father or the legislature.

 

[Jay Kominek]

There are the people that spend their day watching cable news, these people think that anyone can walk into a walmart and buy full auto AK47s and RPGs.

In the other group you have the people who watch NYC based police dramas who believe that reams of paperwork are needed to even look at a gun.

Then there is a small group of people (some pro-gun, some anti-gun) who actually know how it works in real life. These people are the VAST minority.

Amazingly, I've run into people who were simultaneously in both of the first two groups!

They insisted we needed more laws because anyone could get whatever they want at Walmart... and then asked me about what sort of licensing and registration I had to go through for my guns! (in Colorado!)

To echo the original poster's sentiments, I don't think I've run into anyone who didn't already own a gun, who didn't have at least one serious misconception about firearms laws. The saddest was the Army Reserve fellow who wanted to get a full auto AK-47. Poor guy seemed awfully let down when I explained how hard/unlikely it would be.

 

[41mag]

Uh, 41mag, if MI has a handgun 'waiting period' for non CHL/CCW holders there's more than a few gun dealers in Western MI that I need to turn in.

City Of Grand Rapids.Over a dozen handguns purchased calender year 2004.
Minimum six business days for permit approval.Maximum of eleven.The average is eight business days.

It is supposedly against the state constitution but that's food for a different thread.

 

[Sam Adams]

C Yeager:

I have noticed that the general public falls into two general categories when it comes to this issue.

There are the people that spend their day watching cable news, these people think that anyone can walk into a walmart and buy full auto AK47s and RPGs.

In the other group you have the people who watch NYC based police dramas who believe that reams of paperwork are needed to even look at a gun.

That's pretty much my experience. Most people, as in at least 95%, don't have a clue as to gun laws - and that includes people with carry licenses and closets full of guns. I blame people for being lazy, and for listening to the media.

I do get a real kick out of informing someone, esp. a relative from the deepest, darkest Blue states, that in most of the country one can buy full auto guns and get a carry license without much trouble. They seldom believe me at first, until I tell them that I've got a carry license (as do dozens of people I know across the country), and that several of my friends have full autos. I then inform them that I'll be getting one or more as well, just as soon as I find a spare few tens of thousands of dollars for the guns and ammo. Specifically, I mention a burning desire for a Tommy Gun with the 50-round drum magazine, complete with violin case to carry it. That always gets me rewarded with a great big

Zach S:

As for CCW most dont have a clue. "You have to be a PI or a cop." "You have to have a reason, like carrying large amounts of cash." "You have to be a security gaurd." "You have to be pollitically connected." "You have to be an expert marksman."

I once dropped my wife off at the airport, way back in pre-history when you could actually accompany a passenger into the gate area (i.e. 2 years ago). I was carrying, but I left my pistol in the car, under the seat (which made me feel very on edge). However, I left on my holster, the one with a metal lining, and I had boots on...well, I set off the machine, and I was asked to step aside and remove my boots. I was wanded, and of course set it off also. I then informed the mind-numbed robot that I had on an empty holster. He asked why, and I said that I was licensed to carry a concealed handgun, but that I had left the gun outside of the building, locked up, as the law required. He then asked if I was a cop - and I asked "Why?" He said that I had mentioned being licensed to carry a handgun, and I informed him that any adult citizen or legal resident with no criminal record could get the license with very little trouble. He didn't believe me, but I showed him the license and told him that it cost me a day in class, $65 for the class and $140 for 4 years. I further told him that I'd never been a cop, had a security clearance or been in the armed forces. I told him that this is what living in a free country meant, but this seemed lost on him. Amazing, that someone working for the fed.gov hasn't the first clue about the rights that a citizen has.

 

[nomadboi]

I live in Seattle, WA... I had to wait 7 days (four business days not including the day of payment, day of pickup, or weekends) to pick up my handgun... but if I had a CCW I could have gotten it the same day.

 

[Gordon Fink]

“Where do you go to register your guns†[w]as the next question.
No registration required in Texas and in 90% of the US.

Or you could have told him honestly that most guns are registered at the point of sale.

~G. Fink

 

[entropy]

For those arguing that waiting periods have never saved a life, you are wrong. I was working in a gun shop one Friday evening, when (as we pieced together afterward) a woman came in crying, asked to use the phone (up front where we at the gun counter couldn't hear her), and had an argument with someone, ending the conversation with, "Well, I 'll just kill myself then."
She then wiped off her tears and proceeded back to the gun counter, where she asked to look at pistols. She asked which one we recommended, and one of the guys tried to steer her towards a Browning BDA .380 we'd had forever. She said , "I'll take it." and when we asked her for her purchase permit, (this was in MN in 1990) she was shocked. And indignant. We explained the laws to her, and she left in a huff. In hindsight, it would have been nice of the gal at the registers, who had heard her conversation, to give us a heads up. Also, this and many other incidents have convinced me that gun shops probably shouldn't be open on Friday and Saturday nights past 5 or 6 pm. I don't know how many night before deer opener gun sales I've refused because I could smell alcohol on a person's breath. (Hey, let's get tanked, go buy a deer gun, get to the cabin, and have a midnight sight-in session. )
On a rather embarrassing note, I recently went to a gun show in MN, and bought a Mosin Nagant M44. I was trying to make arrangments to have it shipped to the gun shop I work at in WI, (I live in WI also.) when the guy said, " Sure, we could do that, but you could just fill out the Federal form now and take it with you." I'd assumed Brady had stopped interstate sales of rifles as well as pistols. (Good thing I only rarely work behind the gun counter. I spend all my time in the basement fixing them.)

 

[BlackCat]

many blue staters and red state liberals will tell you that they "do not want that much freedom." They don't want you to have it and it is of no value to them.

Oh is that sorta like those red staters and blue state conservatives are all for the PATRIOT act? It doesn't affect them (so they think) so they're completely fine with taking away our rights.

You could point the blame to where it belongs, the government, instead of a specific political party.

 

[thorn726]

Entropy=

what gun dealer would sell the woman you describe a gun , even without a waiting period?
that is a ridiculous example.

 

[teflonlop]

It's easy to see why people would believe it's so difficult to buy a gun legally. So many movies and TV shows mention gun registration, as if there is a registry of every gun and gun owner.

 

[fistful]

Thorn,

I don't favor waiting periods, but you need to read Entropy's post again, and more carefully this time.

 

[artherd]

You know, the 10-day waits are just maddening. Infact, if anything, they make me MORE likely to commit a crime when I finally get the damn thing!