Marchers say gringos, not illegals, have to go

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Im confused to how exactly you guys believe the illegals are going to sieze control. I havent read this new bill... Does it give illegals the right to vote? Are they going to do it politically? Are they going to organize into an army and take Sacramento by force of arms?
 
Well, I work for the Navy. I seriously doubt the gov't is going to hand over control of its Navy network to people in India
But I see your point. Outsourcing sucks. Unchecked Immigration sucks.
Welcome to Capitalism.
Watch you back, dood! You are not safe. Two examples: First, the electronics suite developed for the F-22 was developed by US companies but is paid for by Dubai, IIRC. The Brits are PO'd because the US will sell fighters with the full suite but will not give all the goodies to the Brits. Second, IIRC two companies in the world produce the rare earth magnets used by US companies in the design of smart bombs. Rare earth magnets are extremely small and strong and are ideal for moving vanes to guide munitions. Both companies are owned by the communist Chinese.

One other example not related to government. A large number of US credit card processing is done in India, a country with no disclosure laws and no protection for US card holders. A number of times in the recent past credit card data has been stolen and the news has simply been suppressed. In a world where identity theft is easy and rampant I can not imagine what credit card companies are doing, yet it continues. Logic says your position is a safe as anyone else. I see no reason for anyone, anywhere to feel porky.
 
Obviously political intimidation, through mob action, is proving successful in getting what they want. This is what happens when you have a nation of corrupt cowards in high places--which is exactly what we have. That includes some of the most publicly swaggering.

They will get what they want, first, by bringing a culture of intimidation and lawlessness with them, the full expression of machismo at its most tribal. Having grown up around vatos in my formative years I know exactly how these minds work.

And, yes, they will get the vote, en masse, within a few years if D.C.'s Finest have their diabolical way.

Wake up, America!
 
Obviously political intimidation, through mob action, is proving successful in getting what they want. This is what happens when you have a nation of corrupt cowards in high places--which is exactly what we have. That includes some of the most publicly swaggering.

Mob Action? I didnt see any riots are any significant violence the other day. Doesnt the Bill of Rights say something about the right to assemble? How exactly have they gotten their way? Americans have pretty much welcomed them here with an open border and employment oppurtunities

They will get what they want, first, by bringing a culture of intimidation and lawlessness with them, the full expression of machismo at its most tribal. Having grown up around vatos in my formative years I know exactly how these minds work.

"Tribal".. "vatos".. "these minds"
I'm sorry, but it seems that you just dont think very highly of Mexicans in general. I could be wrong.. that's just the vibe I'm getting from your post.
 
"Tribal".. "vatos".. "these minds"
I'm sorry, but it seems that you just dont think very highly of Mexicans in general. I could be wrong.. that's just the vibe I'm getting from your post.

Revolutions--and what we are seeing happening is in fact a revolution--are not impelled by the wise and sober but by younger, more passionate, more aggressive types. My references are to the adolescent, deluded, and tribal, who are in fact very real and rather numerous. Believe otherwise at your peril. The jailhouses and gang covens are full of the people I'm referring to. You think MS-13 is my fantasy? I'm not saying ALL Mexicans are this way, I AM saying that this is definitely part of Mexican culture. If you think otherwise, you haven't been around. Most of my experiences with Latinos have been positive, but mob action has a way of bringing out the worst in people.
 
Only issue that fires me up is a report that the marchers chanted "Today we march, tomorrow we vote!"

If they are citizens, they should vote. It's their right. If they are not and the Democratic machine in LA gives them the vote... well...

(not high road response) and (very un-high road response)

Remember, I'm from STL where the Dems keep the polls open till the results they want come in. (non High Road)
 
Mob Action? I didnt see any riots are any significant violence the other day. Doesnt the Bill of Rights say something about the right to assemble? How exactly have they gotten their way? Americans have pretty much welcomed them here with an open border and employment oppurtunities

Riots maybe not, law-breaking definitely. Maybe you weren't listening to the remarks y'day by LAPD Chief Bratton or the head of the L.A. school district?

I see, the Bill of Rights is designed to protect mobs of people illegally present in my country? Are you insane?

The idea that "Americans" have welcomed the illegal alien invasion is another of those pieces of tendentious propaganda put out by those who have everything to gain and, so far, not much to lose. Sir, we are being lied to, systematically, by mainstream media and of course our political leadership.
 
My co-worker said these demonstrations reminded him of high school when everyone walked out to protest prop 187. He's not illegal.. none of his friends were.. but they were all Mexican-American, so they all rallied against Prop 187 even though it wouldnt have even affected them.

You honestly think all those people marching were illegals?
Think again man.. many of them were Mexican-Americans.. especially the kids. All those kids werent born in Mexico. I guarantee most of them are citizens who were born here.

If we didnt want Illegals here, why are they here? Why doesnt Bush depoly troops on the border and militarize the whole thing.. Do it DMZ style maybe. For some reason the gov't allows this to happen. I think it has something to do with money. Whoever is in power believes the cheap labor provided by illegals outweighs the social negatives.

Either way, I dont see it as a me against them thing because like I said.. I've never had a problem or felt threatened by illegal Mexicans... Now if there were a bunch of illegal Afghans and Saudis pouring across, i might have a reason to be concerned. :)

EDIT: Ok.. i gotta sleep for work. Nice chatting with everyone.
Maybe ill start loading up some stripper clips before I hit the rack :D
 
For some reason the gov't allows this to happen. I think it has something to do with money. Whoever is in power believes the cheap labor provided by illegals outweighs the social negatives.
Right, but I doubt they've weighed the social costs.
Either way, I dont see it as a me against them thing because like I said.. I've never had a problem or felt threatened by illegal Mexicans... Now if there were a bunch of illegal Afghans and Saudis pouring across, i might have a reason to be concerned.
With our borders wide open like this, how can we know who is coming across?
 
If we didnt want Illegals here, why are they here?

Because we "invaders" made this country worth living in and the illegals aspire to it. Their country is a shiitehole by comparison.

If we gave "their" continent back to them it would revert to a shiitehole and wouldn't be worth living in.
 
I have no doubt Bush Inc. loves illegal immigration. No one is arguing that. We know a few benefit. But most do not, and most do not want illegal immigration legitimized, they want it stopped. Old news at this point.

You've had problems with illegal aliens, you just haven't noticed. Look around you at your society, then look at your last paycheck. The damage is there.

What we haven't seen, until this last weekend, was overt threats of intimidation and outright claims of entitlement, even to our lands themselves. This was just a natural extension, of course, of being given "benefits" that were never rightly earned. For that you can blame the American Left, which is basically corporate America with civil service protections.
 
The recent demonstrations were a warning, I believe. A show of force. If the immigration bill currently being debated turns out to be something the Mex community doesn't like, those demonstraters will turn into rioters and I believe that was the message they wanted to convey.
We're being strongarmed.
Biker
 
Texas has thrown the mexicans out once.....

and I hope Texas has the balls to do it again. As far as illegals voting, you think the dimocrats will use dead mexicans to vote? Bring on the riots, I have lots of ammo to protect my home and family should they think they can take over my neighborhood. I have already notified my representatives of my position on this illegal alien thing, and I vote.......chris3
 
Sparticus has it right !

We're being colonized ! - by sheer numbers !
They seem to think that if Cali. Az. N.M. and the southern half of Tex. 'reverts' to Mexico ( they lost - rememeber ? ) then it will still be the same 'everything free in America' place it is today now insted of an addition to the ****hole that is Mexico today !
If enough of them can't swim/wade/float the Rio Grande then they will do it by breeding like rabbits !
One of the 'new' provisions for this 'guest worker program'
( ha ! ) is that they will have to learn English !
And if passed and they start this borderline 'rioting' again saying, 'NO, we're NOT going to learn english', what then - are they going to be deported ? Don't count on it. The politicians will cave AGAIN and soon, given the successfulness of the tactic being used, NONE of the requirements will be met.
This is just one of the 'provisions' that will be resisted successfully.
These people do not want to assimilate and become Americans, unlike most of the immigrants of years past.
They want to turn large parts of America into Mexico !!
Others above are right. This is going to get ugly.
All conflicts of this type start out relatively small and escalate over time until one day ........................
 
Well shooter, the illegals already have a head start in that particular sport.;)
Biker
 
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