Marijuana confirmed in home of 92 year old woman in Atl, GA.

[FTF]

This is simply to inform those as to the FACTS concerning this ongoing investigation... if one is to consider the chief of police to be giving factual information.

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=88163

"They did find drugs in the house and it was not a large amount. It was marijuana," said Chief Pennington.

 

[Helmetcase]

Wow! Good thing we put that 92 year old Escobar-wannabe out of commission!


reason number 23434676543 the war on drugs is stoopid

 

[Cromlech]

Assuming it was hers, I personally would not begrudge an elderly lady the relief from such conditions as arthritis, that Marijuana can supply.

 

[Lucky]

"Sprinkle some crack on her.:

 

[SoCalShooter]

"Sprinkle some crack on her.:

You know what karma is gonna pay you back for that one...hahahaha

Back on topic however, how much ganja are we talking here? 1gram 2 3 a kilo how much. I mean if its just a small baggy whats the point in a no knock over that. Obviously the cops got sold a larger amount or believe there is a larger amount there right?

 

[FTF]

In GA, posession of less than an ounce is a misdemeanor. Posession with the intent to sell, or actually selling less than an ounce can be a felony. Posessesion or sale of more than an ounce is a felony. No surprise there.

Draw your own conclusions.

My own opinion? If it were a "large" amount and worthy of a felony conviction, the police would have said so, especially given their current position.

A "small" amount, in my opinion, means less than an ounce, in this case. Considering the 93 year old woman was not the informant who sold it, she would, if convicted of posession, be guilty of a misdemeanor.

 

[xd9fan]

boy..... glad the threat to the state has been eliminated....

 

[Skywarp]

Ohhh no pot, the most dangerous drug in the world was found in someone's home. Totally worth risking police lives, killing her and wasting time over.



Five less people are going to sit at home watch bad TV, order food, and fall asleep at 430PM .



I'm so glad she's gone. Mission Accomplished Atlanta PD

 

[brerrabbit]

So a no knock warrant was issued on a home with a misdemeanor amount of maijuana at best. What was it, a roach?

This in itself shows the lack of good info that the judge issued the warrant on.

 

[22-rimfire]

Yes, and if the police chronology is correct, this little old lady began shooting the moment her door was knocked in by the police. These things happen very quickly and I still find it rather unusual that she could shoot so quickly.

 

[TexasRifleman]

So a no knock warrant was issued on a home with a misdemeanor amount of maijuana at best. What was it, a roach?

The warrant didn't actually say anything about drugs did it?
I thought I read that it was only to look for a suspect.

I think the fact that there were some drugs there is simply a lucky way out for a bad flub up.

 

[pcosmar]

"The warrant didn't actually say anything about drugs did it?
I thought I read that it was only to look for a suspect."

We don't know what the warrant said. The police said they didn't know she lived there, and they were looking for a "John Doe or Sam" *

"Yes, and if the police chronology is correct, this little old lady began shooting the moment her door was knocked in by the police. These things happen very quickly and I still find it rather unusual that she could shoot so quickly."

They had to break through the burglar bars then kick in the wooden door. Slowed them down and made a lot of noise. Though I don't know how good her hearing or eyesight is.

*Sambo

 

[dasmi]

Who cares if a little old woman had a little weed? Who cares if any one has a little weed? This woman died for our Government's Glorious War on Drugs.

 

[Zundfolge]

Oh, there we go, this woman DESERVED to have her front door kicked in by plainclothes police.

I'm sure the people of ATL are much safer now.

 

[dave_pro2a]

AFAIK we don't know what the warrent said, even though in NY warrents are a public document and they are breaking procedure by keeping it sealed. I'm not going to hunt down the link, but what is what I read in one of the recent articles.

 

[Orthonym]

Hmm, seems more like a "Writ of Assistance" than an actual lawful constitutional warrant to me. Didn't we fight a horrible bloody revolution about just this kind of thing?

M'self, I'd be happy to go with the law the way it was before 1760, with no search warrants whatsoever for anything but stolen goods.

 

[hammer4nc]

Facts vs. police statements...

Would you consider this a "fact" or a "police statement"?

As the officers approached the house about 7 p.m., a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman.

Link:http://dailynews.com/news/ci_4708656

The above is an attributed quote, not media spin. Somehow, I perceive a difference between "approaching the house", and "breaking down the door"; maybe I'm splitting hairs here?

I'm also having trouble with the statements concerning this "no knock" warrant; and various references to "they announced themselves", prior to (or concurrent with) entry?

Well, if police were fired upon as they "approached the house", they just proceeded with the dynamic entry despite the bullets?

Hmmmm.

Also, featured police references to a squad car being parked out front (marked or unmarked?), implying this would have certified that the entry team was not merely a home invasion...hence the woman knew they were police before pulling the trigger (implying malice aforethought).

+ + =

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I hope everyone who is upset with this incident will write a letter to their Congresscritter. This is a good opportunity to address the root of the problem by letting the legislators who pass these laws know you are unhappy with the results of their legislation.

 

[gezzer]

So what? What part of the constitution gives the .Gov the right to control drugs anyway?

I am about as conservative as can be, however I am not blind to stupid laws.

Alcohol took a constitutional amendment to stop. How come drugs did not?

Time to end the War on Drugs .GOV has lost and it hurts too many citizens.

Note: the LEO community makes too much money from the war on drugs to stop.

Not a cop basher in fact I am retired from them.

 

[meef]

"They did find drugs in the house and it was not a large amount. It was marijuana," said Chief Pennington.

Of course, there is no possibility whatsoever that it was "dropped" there by somebody to sort of help smooth over what was clearly a righteously FUBAR situation once all of the gunsmoke cleared.



::Just a bit of completely speculative wondering....::

 

[Liberal Gun Nut]

Dude she had a small amount of drugs... that's a gateway drug. By the time she was, say, 98 she could haved on to the hard stuff. Better they took care of the problem now.

On a serious note, terminally ill patients in the US are often denied adequate morphine because their doctors are worried about them getting addicted. Anyone who has had an elderly relative die of a slow terminal disease knows what I'm talking about. Better for an old grandmother to suffer in death than to become an addict!

Anyway I'm so glad they shot this woman... she had a small amount of a plant in her house! What did she expect from her government?

 

[Orthonym]

Yup, that's always a possibility when "possesion" of something is criminalized. I do believe that a policeman will plant drugs in a situation where he has screwed up, to exculpate himself.

Yes, I do believe that there are some honest policemen, but I think you're more likely to guess right by assuming that the contrary proposition is right.

 

[Zundfolge]

I don't care if she had a garbage bag full of marijuana, there is zero reason that the police should be kicking down doors to search for it.

If the police knocked on the door, she answered, they showed her the warrant and she refused to let them in, I could understand them forcing their way in.

In addition, this mystery man who supposedly sold them pot earlier in the day. Why didn't they just arrest him then? Why leave and go get a warrant and come back later? If an officer witnesses a crime he doesn't need a warrant to arrest the perpetrator.

But this BS of "knock and announce" and "kick in the door" all being one swift movement is just asinine. Its dangerous for the officers, its dangerous for the possibly innocent people in the house and its dangerous for all our liberty.

Yes, I do believe that there are some honest policemen...

Indeed there are (some of which post in these forums). But I just can't imagine any honest policeman kicking in the door of an old lady while in plain clothes over a minor pot bust.

 

[Jim March]

OK, NOW I smell a rat.

Let's assume the following are all true:

1) The door the cops eventually went through was barred (reported but I've seen no pictures confirming this...).

2) The cops were fired on BEFORE going through the door, while approaching the house.

3) The cops shot at (or shot) were part of the "first on scene team" rather than a second wave (arriving backup).

The above doesn't make sense, because without support from flash-bangs or the like from 40mm launchers, there is NO WAY any modern police department is going to attempt to defeat an armored door while under fire.

Follow? If they hadn't yet defeated the door and they came under fire, they would retreat. Doing otherwise would be suicidal...they'd be stuck immobile at the barricade point (the armored door) while under fire. Not conducive to survival.

So: IF the door was armored, and I want confirmation, I would say it would be impossible for a first response team to get shot BEFORE defeating the barricade yet continue the attack and kill granny.

Way more likely they defeated the door and then came under fire.

I wasn't even going to comment on the pot, except...it's possible that this incident could lead to legalization of the drug, in Georgia or elsewhere. If law enforcement is going to seriously use small amounts of pot to justify killing a granny, then to me that's the absolute last straw as far as prohibition goes...no such "excuse" can be maintained - or allowed to stand.

We're reaching a point here where honest, otherwise law abiding citizens start to realize that the "war on drugs" is a war all right - on all of us and on basic concepts of civil rights.

 

[Zundfolge]

We're reaching a point here where honest, otherwise law abiding citizens start to realize that the "war on drugs" is a war all right - on all of us and on basic concepts of civil rights.

Zundy points at his sig for the umpteenth time