Marijuana 'Guru' Walks Free in Calif.

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SAN FRANCISCO - Ed Rosenthal, the self-proclaimed "Guru of Ganja," walked free Wednesday after a federal judge sentenced him to one day in prison for a marijuana conviction.

Rosenthal, 58, was found guilty in February of growing more than 100 plants in an Oakland warehouse and could have faced as much as 60 years behind bars.

Rosenthal had argued his actions were legal under a 1996 law passed by California voters that permits marijuana use for medical purposes. He also said he was acting as an agent for the city of Oakland's medical marijuana program.

But U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer did not allow the jury to hear those arguments.

The jury found Rosenthal guilty of marijuana cultivation, but several jurors later said they would have acquitted him if they had known he was growing the plants for patients in Oakland.

"I think it was wrong," Rosenthal said from his home Tuesday. "Once the jury found out the whole truth, they agreed. They repudiated their decision."

California Attorney General Bill Lockyer had asked Breyer for leniency in Rosenthal's sentencing. The federal probation department had recommended a 21-month prison term.
As much as I hate drugs, this was the right decision. States should have the right to regulate drugs as they please. Federal control should only apply to interstate trafficking. Now, if the SF crowd can only see fit to restore other Constitutional rights.
 
Rosenthal had argued his actions were legal under a 1996 law passed by California voters that permits marijuana use for medical purposes. He also said he was acting as an agent for the city of Oakland's medical marijuana program.
But U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer did not allow the jury to hear those arguments.
Sounds like when Denver court forbade Rick Stanley from mentioning the Constitution in his open-carry case.:barf:

Still, a one-day sentence is way, way better than I would have expected. Now if only they'd take the same stance for gun law violators...
 
Seems as if the trial judge, perhaps having seen the error of his ways, displayed more sense than did the trial.

Sad to note though is the fact that Mr. Rosenthal might now have a felony conviction on his record, I do not recall if he was charged with felony violation of drug laws. Of course, some amount of the public's money and pewrhaps Risenthal's also, was wasted in legal action that never should have been.
 
May Mr. Rosenthal be able rock the ganj in peace. Weed doesn't really do it for me, but money does. So the less the government is up in his herb and up in my cash, the better.
 
a felony conviction won't mean didly for ed. High Times isn't exactly going to to refuse to hire him because of a conviction :)
And the med-pot prescription holders aren't exactly going to avoid him because he's a felony. If someone on this board was hit w/ a felony I'd feel much worse as most of the people here are someones employee AND they'd lose all their gun rights.

atek3
 
His crime was growing the botanical equivalent of a case of vodka. I don't see a victim, therefore I can't see that a crime has been committed.

Like I said, most "freedom lovers" are raging Statists...they just have a different pet prohibition. If you can consent to one "prior restraint" law, you have to consent to all of them. With almost everyone in this country working to enforce a prohibition of some kind, it's no wonder that freedom is being squeezed out of our lives at a steady rate.
 
I'm wondering, who do the feds intend to charge for the pot growing wild on federal lands? Gale Norton? The Prez? God? Gaia?
 
The courts in the PRK have quite a bit of lee-way regarding the severity of the crime. Oftentimes, Felonies are reduced to Misdemeanors especially with pot possession. Culitvation is another story depending on how much they catch you with.

I don't think this was a crime at all even if there is a medical use clause in California. As lendringsger said, he grew the botanical equilalent of a case of vodka.

Drink 750ml of Vodka and you are far more dangerous than it you smoked his whole pile of stash. The drug laws regarding pot are a joke.
 
Agreed on that point, Now what really needs to be eradicated for its inherently dangerous nature is the methamphetamine epidemic. That ???? is pure poison.
 
I believe that all currently-illegal drugs can be divided into three categories:

1) Definately legalize. Includes pot, hash, "E" for certain. Probably a lot more.

2) Definately DON'T legalize, because they tend to cause mongo violence. PCP is the best-known. Meth is borderline, I'd want to take a closer look at the issue.

3) The ones I don't know yet know which of the first two categories they fit into :).

More accurately, I think we can legalize a good selection of the milder stuff, and thereby limit the demand for the really scary crap down to where they're either not sold, or the demand is so low that a ban is practical.

Another possible way of dealing with the "really bad stuff" is to label them a "known hazard", thereby putting the seller in legal liability if the user freaks out and kills somebody. Deal with it in civil court versus criminal that way.

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Strong hallucinagens are a special case. If you offered me a "street tablet" of LSD at a rock concert, I'd run away screaming. BUT if a fully-trained student of Dr. Tim Leary offered to guide me through a trip, in calm surroundings, with a medically known dosage of LSD, I'd jump at the change. Yes I'm serious, I've studied the matter in some depth though I've never taken an illegal drug in my life (based on my choice and reading Leary himself, not based on laws). I'm a fairly advanced student of self hypnosis and I know a thing or two about how cranial innards work.

Per Leary, the key to a safe and productive (clinically *useful*) LSD trip is "dose, set and setting". "Dose" means you're getting a known amount of good stuff. "Set" is your own mindset going in - if you know that what you're doing is safe, and you trust your guide, and go into it without fear, then that fear (or other negative emotion) won't spiral out of control under the effect of the drug. "Setting" means calm, safe, ground-floor surroundings WITH a fully qualified non-tripping guide.

Leary never had anybody seriously freak out under his guidance. One of his students brought hundreds of people down off of bad trips in a special tent at the first Woodstock, working tirelessly.

Some of what Leary and his students were doing with "deep self-programming" via LSD was just incredible...like hypnosis on steroids.

Given the need for a guide, I don't quite know how to legally handle the serious hallucinagens. License the guides, and let them dispense? Let psychiatrists or whatever dispense it?

Dunno. What I *do* know is that a lot of very, VERY effective *science* was lost when idiots misunderstood Leary and he ended up demonized. (Hint: Leary was appalled at recreational use of LSD at concerts or whatever, he considered it wildly stupid.)
 
The only problem with saying "lets legalize all the light drugs" is that drug epidemics of any severity are bad. And by epidemic I mean double digit percentage of full-time useless-for-anything-else users is bad.

Its why opium use became a capital crime in China for a while under the communists. Over a third of the chinese population was using and good for little else. Opium is not a lethal (unlike herion) or inherently violent drug. Its just very addictive.

BTW who is going to pay for the treatment of all the "medicinal" pot smokers after develop serious cancer problems? Pot is about an order of magnitude more cancer causing than cigarettes after all.

I also love how the medical marijuana advocated conveniently neglect to mention the perscription cannibis derivatives which are both safer and better than the real thing. Of course you don't get high from them, so for some reason the college kids don't seem to be crusading for truly medicinal marijuana.
 
BTW who is going to pay for the treatment of all the "medicinal" pot smokers after develop serious cancer problems? Pot is about an order of magnitude more cancer causing than cigarettes after all.

Yes, if you smoke 20+ joints a day, but that is not really the case.

Many prescribed drugs have side effects that include cancer. It is a risk people must take if they would like to function day in and day out.

As always, I hope that the individual pays for his/her treatment.

regards,

ehenz
 
MrAcheson: I don't buy it. Drug use is a product of culture and attitude, not laws. Same as gun violence, come to think.

During prohibition, alky consumption went UP. It dropped after repeal, along with smuggling-related violence.
 
Legalize everything, you get hooked and can't pay for medical attention.. tough luck. Stop all the handouts, no more 'entitlement' ..etc..

Clean the gene sesspool while we are at it.

If I want to destroy my life by getting addicted to some drug(already addicted to shooting ;-) that's my own business and nobody elses.
 
Another possible way of dealing with the "really bad stuff" is to label them a "known hazard", thereby putting the seller in legal liability if the user freaks out and kills somebody. Deal with it in civil court versus criminal that way.
For pot, how about publishing minimum 'commercial growing' standards and letting (not forcing) commercial growers get an independent periodic quality control certification. Buy pot from a certified commercial grower and you know you get decent quality stuff.

Another idea could be to also set and enforce 'safe use' standards. Keep to them (as buyer and seller) and you're safe from prosecution. For instance, a dealer who makes (or buys) 'to spec' PCP, provides proper medical supervision (uncluding pre-use screening and detox/addiction treatment) for his clients and who has a current certification could operate openly in an industrial park (for instance). Prices might not be low but a lot of the crime would be taken out of it.

Oh, and legalise the possession, growing and use of hemp. AFAIK you need to smoke the equivalent of a small hawser really quickly to get high on it (if you can) and I doubt anyone doing that regularly can really be called a menace to society. At least not for long. :D That said, hemp has a lot of interesting industrial uses. Paper pulp for one.

I'd like to see someone having the gall to scatter a couple of tons of hemp seed along the shoulders of state roads.

Cheers,
ErikM :evil:
 
1980s: Don't do drugs, suckah!
1990s: Drugs are bad. If you do drugs, then you're bad.

Otherwise, what Flory said. I don't want portions of 1/4 of my income going to pay for Mr Mackie's MP5, and these clown's medical bills...
 
The key here is he was growing and had a contract with the city of Oakland.

Otherwise, what Flory said. I don't want portions of 1/4 of my income going to pay for Mr Mackie's MP5, and these clown's medical bills...

Skunk, Unfortunately we are already paying for i. Legal or not.

I say legalize and tax the hell out of it like cigarettes and booze.
 
For pot, how about publishing minimum 'commercial growing' standards and letting (not forcing) commercial growers get an independent periodic quality control certification. Buy pot from a certified commercial grower and you know you get decent quality stuff.

You're close.

What you do is, you require a statement of potency and dosage, for ANY drug.

We do that with alcohol now: pick up a bottle of anything, and it's got the "proof" rating right there. The liquid volumes of the various beer/wine/whiskey glasses are standardized across the industry. Bartenders and every rational adult can figure out with a fairly high degree of precision exactly how much of the drug they're taking at any one time.

Ditto the nicotein/tar/etc labels on cig packs.

That same principle needs to follow through to every recreational *and* medicinal drug. With strict truth-in-labeling laws (already on the books, easily adapted to everything else).

Bingo - you've just eliminated 95% of the overdose deaths.
 
But why eliminate overdoses? Hey, genepool chlorination works for me, 'specially since its totally voluntary. As a matter of fact, i think we should legalize the drugs, but make certain ones so potent that one taste of PCP and their brain liquifies or something. Too bad, soo sad...

Gosh I'm rotten.

Hey, but don't even think about touching my french roast or Old Milwaukee Light. Besides, i can quit any time i want...

:evil:
 
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