Marlin 45-70 or Remington 7600? I made my choice..(pic heavy)

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Hello everyone

It has been some time already that I wanted to add a very powerful, fast manual repeating rifle to my collection (I'm left handed) as an "Alaska hiking gun"
I was considering a Marlin 45-70, even if I'm not fond of the cartridge nor the short barreled carbine.
The Browning BLR was a good choice too but way too pricey in my opinion.
Then I come across this rifle....an almost brand new Remington 7600 pump action 30-06...included were an Allen soft case, an extra 10 round extended magazine and the usual cheap Bushnell 3-9X 40 scope on it...I was hooked!
After half hour of back and forth haggling (I can be a pain in the butt when I negotiate prices..:D:evil:) the guy got tired and it let it go for $300 out of the door.
The rifling look basically unfired, the action is incredibly smooth.

This is the reason (IMHO) why I think this Remington pump is a better choice than the Marlin.

- Very powerful common caliber and much more versatile than the 45-70 will ever be.

- Lightning fast pump action....no need to reacquire your target between shots

- Extended magazine (third party companies make them up to 12 rounds in capacity)

- Very light, more balanced and it handles better than the Marlin (at least in my hands), without the scope the rifle is incredibly light, almost a .22! I already own the semiauto version of this rifle.

- Free floating barrel

- The combination of the more versatile 30-06 cartridge and the longer barrel covers a much wider range of situations compared to the Marlin 45-70...from short range bone buster (with heavy round nose bullets) to long range varminting or deer/elk harvesting...the 760/7600 is a field proven Alaska rifle as much as the Marlin 45-70

- Better look (again in my opinion)

I already sold the original scope and I installed the "usual" (for me...it's my fifth) Centerpoint 4-16X 40 Illuminated Mil Dot reticle scope ($70 at Wal Mart)

The rings bolts have a hole where you can stick a thin screwdriver for fast release...in seconds you can switch from scope to iron sights.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Marlin lever action rifles and I already own a beautiful 336 in 30-30

I have a question for the experts: I already ordered the Uncle Mike's swivel set with front barrel band specific for the Rem 7600 (You cannot attach the sling to the foreend cap like the old 760 because of the free floating barrel)
Could the barrel band damage the bluing?? Any problems when the barrel heats up?? Do I lose the accuracy benefit of the freel floating barrel???

Thanks


Regards


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Any problems when the barrel heats up?? Do I lose the accuracy benefit of the freel floating barrel???

Thanks

Why would it, it's the same rem bbl blank they use on their other rifles. It's not like at the rifling center they have a pallet of 700 barrels on the left of the machine and a pallet for crappy 7600 barrels on the right

Well just look at how the thing is made/ There's absolutely NOTHING touching the bbl down it's entire length it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to have bedding issues, this combined with a fully floating bolt head. I think you'll find the 7600 to be the most accurate sporter weight rifle Remington makes and after a few trips to the range your mind will boggle as to why folks buy sporter weight rem700's

Practice your trigger control, work up a good load, BUY A QUALITY SCOPE MOUNT and you'll be able to hustle your buddies at the range with their bolt action hunting rifles
 
I have had the Uncle Mikes barrel band swivel on my 760 since I bought it new in 1976. I imagine if I took the band off the bluing would definitely be marred under it. But I don't intend to remove it. As far as accuracy, it never affected it. The gun is not as accurate as my Ruger M77, but it's plenty accurate for where I hunt, and I shot a deer at 420 yards using 165 gr Ballistic tips.
 
Krochus

Thanks for your answer

However, what I meant to ask was if the Uncle Mike's sling barrel band clamp would damage the barrel bluing because of friction/heating..I know the barrel itself has a safe gap all the way in its entire length up to the receiver

Halwg think it may in his 760.

Thanks

Regards
 
I doubt it, Ive had slings mounted both ways and never noticed any degradation in accuracy,

But I wouldn't have the sling on while shooting groups at the range
 
Nice choice! Pretty rifle too. I recently picked up a vintage (1952) 760 in 30'06 and feel like it's a really solid choice. Quite accurate, but does begin to walk 'em around a little as the barrel heats up. I like the Centerpoints too, might put one like yours on it if I switch out the Simmons 8-point to a Saiga 308 that's coming soon.
 
IMHO that is the best deer rifle you can buy. Not to big or heavy light and adequate power. It aint fancy but it gets the job done and is a decent price. Good buy
 
IMHO that is the best deer rifle you can buy. Not to big or heavy light and adequate power. It aint fancy but it gets the job done and is a decent price. Good buy

Power wise I would say much more than adequate for deer. It's interesting that it is advertised by Remington as a great fast repeating deer rifle but at the same time is one of the Alaska guide's favourite with the Marlin 45-70

Actually one Alaska Oil Rig worker suggested this kind of rifle to me....he was using an old 760 for years up there for wildlife defense.
 
A glorious old box of Winchester Grizzly 220 gr. Silvertip 30-06...

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A similar offering of the time by the defunct Western Cartridges...

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You were compareing apples to oranges. The 45-70 is a completely different shooting expierence. Where the 30-06 is powerful because of it's speed and bullet design, the 45-70 gets it's power from mass and inertia .Some day you will still find a need for a 45-70 ,everybody does.
 
FLNT4EVR

Of course, the cartridges are different, however is undeniable that the 30-06 is much more versatile.

I cannot think of any situation where, assuming the right load, a 30-06 cannot to the job where the 45-70 can....on the other side, can you drop a deer 5-600 yards away with a 45-70??......................maybe...........
 
as an "Alaska hiking gun"

I have to agree with FLNT4EVR and guntech59 ... if you're looking for a versatile hunting rifle then the Remington is the better choice, but for hiking where the intent is more protection rather than hunting, I'd prefer a Guide Gun in .45-70. The shorter barrel and overall length makes it easier/faster to swing and .45-70 is a devastating and very accurate round out to 200 yards and beyond, more than enough for protection. The fact that I have a couple of Marlins in .45-70 has in no way influenced this post. :D

As for looks, the Guide Gun wins that one without much effort.

One last point, for an Alaskan hiking rifle, why the 4-16x scope? Surely a 1-5x or iron sights would make more sense particularly when there might be some serious predators sneaking up on you.

:)
 
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The scope I installed is not inteded to be used when and if i will ever use that rifle as hiking gun....in that particular circumstance, iron sights all the way...

I do not have any problem swinging fast that rifle, i dfind it extremely handy and manoeuvrable...and light.

45-70 is a devastating and very accurate round out to 200 yards

A 30-06 is not less devastating...the Rem pump rifle has been suggested to me by someone that spent almost 20 years in the Alaska wilderness...
 
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SaturnV...be sure you understand that I am not knocking your choice. I have a couple of the Remington pumps (270, 30-06).

I'm just a bit biased towards the 45-70...can't help it.
 
Ridgerunner

That bullet in the video is a solid

Have you ever seen what a 240 gr, Woodleigh solid does in a 30-06 package?? try that....I'm not saying the 45-70 is useless either.....still an over 200 gr. 30 cal bullet has tremendous sectional density

I saw a cheap 203 gr. FMJ Mosin Nagant round going through a sizeable live oak...through and through...never found the bullet...
 
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A 30-06 is not less devastating

Let's see if you can find a .30-06 load that compares to Buffalo Bore's 405gr JSP ammunition out to 200 yards. :D

50 yards
3,134 ft-lb

100 yards

2,721 ft-lb

150 yards

2,356 ft-lb

200 yards
2,040 ft-lb

I don't usually buy any rifle ammuniton but I do load Remington's 405gr bullet to very similar velocites and if recoil is anything to go by, it's a beast.

Congratulations on your rifle though ... very good price too and I'd happily add a 7600 to my collection.

:)
 
I respectuffully disagree with with the assesment of you 45/70 fans.


Sure the 45/70 has penareation but only with non expanding hardcast bullets. A 30/06 will drive a barnes tsx bullet fast enough to not only expand well causing massive tissue disruption but will also still penatrate like no tomorrow all in a platform that can still make a 400yd shot if need be. Besides if penareation is a concern there's always AP for the 06

"Where the 45/70 is strong it's really strong" BUT where it's weak it's really weak.
 
I would definitely agree that the .30-06 is more versatile. But when it comes to really heavy, tough targets the .45-70 wins. They just don't even MAKE 525gr .30-06 bullets!

"Where the 45/70 is strong it's really strong" BUT where it's weak it's really weak.
Not a bad assessment.
 
Piledrivers are very hard cast lead...thats true.

I'm not going to start a debate..especially when I really don't want to knock your choice...but penetrating wood and penetrating water (muscle) are 2 VERY different things.

Momentum...thats what it comes down to. And there is proven verifiable data to show that low impact velocities penetrate more (with big heavy bullets)

Anyways...nice rifle you have there and it should serve you well.
 
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Let's see if you can find a .30-06 load that compares to Buffalo Bore's 405gr JSP ammunition out to 200 yards. :D

50 yards
3,134 ft-lb

100 yards

2,721 ft-lb

150 yards

2,356 ft-lb

200 yards
2,040 ft-lb

I don't usually buy any rifle ammuniton but I do load Remington's 405gr bullet to very similar velocites and if recoil is anything to go by, it's a beast.

Congratulations on your rifle though ... very good price too and I'd happily add a 7600 to my collection.

:)

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180grn hornady light mag matches and then exceeds those numbers at 100 and beyond
 
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