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I have a question. How does one keep from dry firing a .22 auto since the bolt doesn't latch open on the last shot?

If I had one that shouldn't be dry fired I would have to load a dummy round last since I never keep track of rounds fired.

Dan
 
Thanks Jeff56, I didn't realize many .22 auto rifles have the bolt held open after the last shot. Good to know.

I only have one .22 auto (Browning SA-22) and the bolt does not hold open after the last shot. It is a pain since I never know when I'm close to empty since it is near impossible to check.

My Marlin 39A is another one that is tough. It is hard to have fun shooting if you are constantly checking the chamber for a live round. My removable magazine bolt actions are easy, glance down at every shot, next round (or mag empty) easily confirmed.

BTW, I have dry fired the 39A hundreds of times (by accidentally running it dry) with no damage. Some are susceptible to damage due to poor design, others are designed robust (such as inertial firing pins like the Model 60) that are much less.

Also, I have been shooting for over 50 years. The only .22 I have damaged by accidental dry firing is a single action replica of a Colt Single Action Army I once owned many moons ago. It would ding the edge of the chamber and I would have to gently file the burr off before I could chamber a round again.

None of my .22 rifle manuals say a word about dry firing. Are there any that do?

Dan
 
As far as dry firing a rimfire I have spoken with Ruger on this matter. Ruger's technical people say it is OK to dry fire the 10/22 as the firing pin doesn't contact the end of the barrel enough to do damage.
 
the one thing that amazes me is how rough all the moving parts in most firearms really are. if you spend a few hours deburring and rounding off sharp edges where they should not be sharp, you will be amazed at how much smoother they opperate. the manufacturers are in a big hurry to spit out guns to the masses. and not doing theur jobs to make them right. polishing feed ramps and chambers is one of those things that should be done before a gun leaves the factory. but i guess actually making a firearm correctly requires way to much time. because in order to get one that is made like that, you have to spend thousands of dollars.
 
I bought my grandson a new Marlin 60 for graduating Hunter Saftey Classes. We've tryed all common brands of ammo and as expected,Winchester SuperX ,40 gr. solids were the most accurate,and the rifle ran perfectly. biker
 
It's funny because I had no idea that Remington rimfire ammo was crap until I heard it on the internet. I've been using the stuff for at least 25yrs, heavily in the last five. I've said it before and I'll say it again, try everything. I've always had excellent results with GB's and go through a good 2000-3000rds of the stuff a month. Which is saying something because I can save $2/550rds if I buy Federal by the case. Problem is I have a couple guns that won't function with Federal and they're loaded with a very poor game bullet.

I watched a video last year where a shooter leaded the bore of his Ruger 22/45 with Thunderbolts so badly that the rifling was completely covered in it. I hadn't used it in several years so I went to the shop and bought some. Then I burned through 300rds as quickly as I could in my Ciener 1911 conversion (doesn't run with Federal bulk) without a single malfunction or leading the bore.

Here's what my CZ452FS does with GB's. Five consecutive five-shot groups, no sorting, no trickery, averaging 0.49"@50yds. Smallest is 0.30", largest 0.65". Wolf MT only cuts the average to 0.39" but is obviously much more consistent. I've got two dozen rimfires and I don't believe there is a single one that does not function and give at least acceptable accuracy with the stuff.
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Yes but I'm not just shooting it in the one rifle. Like I said, two dozen rifles and pistols and over the course of many years. Like most things, I take what I read on the internet with a big grain of salt because lots of folks only come here to complain, uneducated opinion gets submitted as fact, many only repeat what they've heard, info gets ommitted and you just never know about the nut on the other end. ;)

If it was truly as rotten as folks claim and for as many people as you might believe, I really don't think it would still be on the market. I mean, really.
 
It's funny because I had no idea that Remington rimfire ammo was crap until I heard it on the internet. I've been using the stuff for at least 25yrs, heavily in the last five. I've said it before and I'll say it again, try everything. I've always had excellent results with GB's and go through a good 2000-3000rds of the stuff a month. Which is saying something because I can save $2/550rds if I buy Federal by the case. Problem is I have a couple guns that won't function with Federal and they're loaded with a very poor game bullet.

I watched a video last year where a shooter leaded the bore of his Ruger 22/45 with Thunderbolts so badly that the rifling was completely covered in it. I hadn't used it in several years so I went to the shop and bought some. Then I burned through 300rds as quickly as I could in my Ciener 1911 conversion (doesn't run with Federal bulk) without a single malfunction or leading the bore.

Here's what my CZ452FS does with GB's. Five consecutive five-shot groups, no sorting, no trickery, averaging 0.49"@50yds. Smallest is 0.30", largest 0.65". Wolf MT only cuts the average to 0.39" but is obviously much more consistent. I've got two dozen rimfires and I don't believe there is a single one that does not function and give at least acceptable accuracy with the stuff.
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I guess we are the lone men out. I have no problem with Rem Golden Bullets, in several 10/22's Ruger M II's, Buckmark and Walther P22. I do not think much of the Federal bulk ammo. My CZ 452 being a bolt action of course will shoot anything.

They sure sell a lot of it for junk.:confused:
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, try everything.............Here's what my CZ452FS does with GB's.
those golden bullets are definitely working for you. i also am not crazy about federal bulk ammo. i will occasionally buy their automatch, but not when winchester wildcat is available. its my all time fav bulk 22 ammo.

i never had any real problems with golden bullets to be honest. the main reason i stopped using them was because the only ones i ever saw were hollow points, and i needed the tiny bit of extra mass solids provided cuz we shoot at a dueling tree quiet a bit and i wanted the extra weight to get every advantage i could in making sure i spin the steel with every hit.

sometimes even with heavy bullets they dont flop over to the other side, and we get real competitive with it. i cant really say for sure the solids knock them to the other side any better, but nothing is worse than being on your last target on a dueling tree, and hitting it but it doesnt swing and your brother ends up making a run at the end and beating you. that makes me crazy :D

that rimfire dueling tree is some of the most fun you can have with a 22 auto pistol. we get to laughing so hard we have to stop to catch our breath.
 
i would say too much oil and crap ammo.

CCI mini-mags or Federal Bulk Pack is best with my marlin 60 and it still does under .25inch groups at 50 yards.
 
i strongly suggest winchester for bulk ammo.

to be honest, pretty much all other bulk stuff plays 2nd fiddle to it.

my 1022 shoots nice groups with it.
 
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Rem Bulk (Golden Bullets makes it to #10 based on consistency or standard deviation.
(from Rimfire Central(

.22 Rimfire Ammunition - Force Ranked by Standard Deviation
RANK / Cartridge/ Ext. Sprd. (fps) / Avg. Vel. (fps) / Std. Dev.
_1. Lapua Midas M / 10 / 1076 / 0.84
_2. Fed. UltraMatch UM1B / 12 / 1087 / 0.84
_3. Win. Hi Velocity / 15 / 1199 / 0.87
_4. Fed. Classic Hyper Velocity HP / 11 / 1465 / 3.74
_5. Winchester DynPoints / 22 / 1109 / 5.0
_6. CCI Blazer / 34 / 1213 / 5.6
_7. Wolf Match Target / 25 / 1043 / 6.0
_8. PMC Rifle Match / 33 / 1009 / 6.0
_9. Wolf Match Extra / 18 / 1020 / 6.3
10. Remington Bulk HP / 31 / 1246 / 6.7
11. Winchester Wildcat / 37 / 1185 / 7.0
12. Quick Shok HP / 38 / 1550 / 7.0
13. Winchester X-Pert HP / 41 / 1144 / 7.5
14. CCI Stinger HP / 49 / 1567 / 7.7
15. Remington Target / 32 / 1125 / 8.0
16. CCI Green Tag / 48 / 1023 / 8.0
17. PMC Sidewinder Solids / 58 / 1195 / 8.9
18. Fed. Gold Medal Match 900 / 23 / 1136 / 9.0
19. Fed. UltraMatch UM1 / 24 / 1178 / 9.0
20. Remington HV Solids (Golden) / 61 / 1272 / 9.0
21. Fed. Gold Medal Match / 25 / 1180 / 10.0
22. Fed. Bulk HP / 65 / 1248 / 11.0
23. Eley Match Xtra Plus(2) / 33 / 1064 / 12.0
24. Fed. Gold Medal Match 900B / 33 / 1081 / 13.0
25. CCI Std. Velocity / 35 / 1155 / 14.0
26. Eley Match EPS / 43 / 1037 / 15.0
27. Eley Pistol / 40 / 1007 / 17.0
28. Fed. Gold Medal Target / 44 / 1101 / 19.0
29. Win. T22 Target / 54 / 1187 / 19.0
30. Velocitor / 66 / 1309 / 23.0
31. Remington Value Pak / 76 / 1130 / 23.0
32. Eley Target Rifle / 66 / 1034 / 25.0
33. Federal Am. Eagle 38grCPHP / 75 / 1294 / 28.0
34. Eley Club Xtra / 76 / 1060 / 29.0
35. Aquila Super Max / 75 / 1651 / 31.0
36. Win. Power Point / 75 / 1207 / 31.0
37. Remington Thunderbolt / 122 / 1145 / 44.0
 
wow!!!!

well i said winchester wildcat was the best bulk,,,,, but i must admit i could have mistaken cuz those boys over @ rfc know their biz.

(but winchester wildcat was the very next one down) :D
 
What I find the funniest about this thread... Remington ammos sucks in the Marlin...

You'd think now that Remington owns Marlin their ammo would at least work well in it...

:D
 
How did they arrive at those numbers anyway?

i'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and say a chronograph?

my chronograph reads (and prints) strings of shots with individual shot velocities, average velocity for a given string, and standard string deviation, so im figuring they may have one over there?

either that or someone really likes guessing velocities (like the guy at the state fair guessing weight for a prize):D
 
The people at RFC are no more experts than the people here BTW. If you want experts go to 6mmbr or Benchrest Central. That's where you find the people who are shooting competitively. IMO this board has it all over RFC too IMO. You get about 5 people over there who try to dominate every conversation by screaming "CZ" at everyone no matter what the question is or what forum it's in. Well I own a CZ and my Savage is a better rifle when it comes to accuracy. So much for them being such experts. I found a lot of bad information there in fact.

What you don't think the same is true here or any other forum?? The majority of likes and dislikes is mostly anecdotal. There is not a basis in testing or facts. Same as Glock or XD, Ford, Chevy. gun cleaning products etc. I always like the "I never clean my rimfire". Why?? it's a gun like any other, some magic that you do not need to clean a 22 rifle??

Bottom line for non competitive shooters is find the rimfire ammo that works in your gun. For general rangeshooting, plinking as long as it functions who cares. The Walther P22 is supposed to be fussy and only run on premium ammo like CCI. Mines eats any kind of "junk" One of the most accurate ammo I find that is still cheap in the Win Dynapoints.

I have about 10 different brands of 22LF ammo, I could take a day, run them through a chronograph, shoot out of several guns but what would it prove? If they don't work in another gun that someone has than it's useless info.
 
I got my marlin 60 for about $60 on a trade. I had a 10/22 at the time that produced not so great results(stock barrel,bedded stock,trigger job). I took the marlin out for a range day it it shot circles around the 10/22 to say the least.

I had a similar problem where reliability wasn't up there with the 10/22 but it turns out the bozo before me did a hack trigger job(cutting the trigger spring) and once replaced it and the firing pin is crazy reliable for a rimfire.
 
I have a CZ 452 American and think it is one of the best out of the box 22's for the money. When I went to by a 223 Rem Varmint rifle it was between the CZ and the Savage, I bought the Savage;) I like both brands. People like what they like. Go over to the Glock forum and start bashing Glocks:eek:

Yes, a lot of RF central folks are a bit nuts about their guns. I think what is more disturbing is buying a $200 Ruger 10/22 and spending $2000 on it.:what:

Same with optics, if you don't have a Mueller APV or whatever it is then you are just not cool.
 
is this to say that the group was larger?

Id say it closed the groups by 50%.

My 10/22 struggled with 1" groups at 50yds but the M60 manages ~.5 groups at the same distance.
 
They sure sell a lot of it for junk.
Indeed, that is my point!


BTW if you think so many people are giving out bad info why do you come here? Do you think you're the sole voice of reason on the net?
That's not what I said at all but nice try at fabricating an argument. :rolleyes:

My point is that one should take it all with a grain of salt. Polling internet complaints is not necessarily a valid litmus test with any bearing on reality. Think for yourself.


I can find a LOT more of these pages if you like. But I have other things to do.
I know Jeff, I've heard it all a million times. I've been around the block a time or two.


The people at RFC are no more experts than the people here BTW......IMO this board has it all over RFC too IMO.
I would tend to disagree, though I've been on RFC for almost ten years and other forums for twelve. I find that the folks on RFC tend to be vastly more knowledgeable about rimfires than those here, on average. The problem there is the same as the problem here, some folks are WAAAAAY too defensive about cheap stuff. It's bad when you can't speak objectively about inanimate objects without drawers getting bunched up.


The CZ people are absolutely nuts on RFC.
Once again I really don't know where you're coming from on this.


For instance if I said my Savage was more accurate than my CZ they would go nuts and hit me with 20 posts.
Post a link.


I've seen just as good advice here as there for the limited time I spent there.
Perhaps therein lies the problem???
 
So I have no use at all for that list. It's not a scientific list from what I see.
Because it doesn't say what you want it to???

Send me a PM with a link to the thread in the Savage subforum where you got reamed for saying anything negative about CZ's. I frequent both the Savage and CZ subforums over there, every single day, and haven't seen what you're referring to.
 
I don't see any useful info there because it isn't scientific.
It's a chronograph report, nothing more. I see no conclusions made by its author. I see it only as data provided for the sake of providing it. If this data is irrelevant to you, then ignore it. Most gunwriters go to a lot of trouble providing this very information in comprehensive writeups. If you have conflicting data, gained from "scientific" means, then provide it. Actually, you have yet to provide any useful data gained from your own testing whatsoever. Just claims of "my Marlin 60 did this once...." anecdotal nonsense. I don't expect any more from you because.......


As for the links to the other site I said I wasn't discussing that any more. Pay attention.
How convenient. You have a very predictable habit of making claims, statements and accusations but when pressed to provide proof, you decide it is no longer relevant. :rolleyes:
 
I was at our range in Elko, NV a few years ago. Friend of mine was shooting his costa lotta BR rifles over flags with Eley Tenex and Zeiss scopes. Needless to say they were getting 10's all the time at 50 yds. A friend of his showed up with a new Marlin 60 with a Leupold scope mounted. He shot the 60 running some Tenex thru it. Now it wasn't getting the accuracy of the costa lotta's but was getting 9's and 10's. Friend said this is the difference between a good off the shelf 140 dollar rifle and a 16K custom BR rifle. Funny how we pay so much to get so little.
 
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