Mauser confusion

[mr.trooper]

Hi guys

Im getting verry confused about some mauser stuff.

First off, i want to put a scope on my Swedish M38 Carbine. The problem is, im confused as to whether its a "large ring" or a "small ring"??? I dont know what the difference is, and what one my rifle is?

Im getting conflicting info from different manufacurors. ATI says there mauser stocks and mounts wont fit Swedish 96 and 38 "large ring" mausers...But B-square says that the 96, and thus the 38, are "small ring".

Which is it, and whats the difference?

And another question about 8mm ammo. just for clarification, i dont have to worry about the wrong 8mm ammo if im using a mauser designed rifle like the Kar 98, do I? thats just for the Gewer(sp?) 88 Correct?

Thanks.

 

[NEtracker]

Hi,
I'm not a Mauser expert at all. I just have an M48.
Here's a board that has specific Mauser sections,
http://p077.ezboard.com/bparallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums

 

[jefnvk]

I would have my doubts that a stock for the K98 would also be useable for a Swede. Could be wrong, though.

Is your 98 an eraly one, or WWII one? Ther early ones did have the .318 barrel, but most were rebarreled. The WWII were all .323. If you aren;t sure, check with a gunsmith.

 

[mr.trooper]

Thanks guys! thats helps alot!

 

[rbernie]

All Swedish Mausers ('94, '96, '38) are small-ring. That means that the measurement of the diameter of the receiver 'ring' into which the barrel screws is smaller than that of the succeeding Mauser design ('98 and variants). The '38 is a shortened version of the '96.

You cannot use a stock meant for a large ring to mount a small ring receiver UNLESS you are willing to bed it and 'convert' the larger stock recesses to appropriately fit the small ring receiver. In a nutshell - don't do it. Get a 'small ring' stock.

The ammo question confuses me, because all Swedish Mausers were chambered in 6.5x55 - NOT in 8mm Mauser (7.92x57). But specific to the 8mm Mauser, there are two sizes - 8x57J and 8x57JS, I believe is the nomenclature. The J version has a .318 groove diameter and the JS version has a .323 groove diameter. You do not want to use JS in a J rifle.

 

[mr.trooper]

Yes, i am well aware that a small ring will not fill the stock of a large ring correctly. i mearly want to know who makes replacement stocks for a small ring.

i am also well aware that my Swedish Mauser shoots 6.5x55 SWEDE, and NOT 8mm. I am seriously thinkng of buying a Kar 98, and was asking what the differences in 8mm ammo were, should i pick up a gun for it.

Thank you.

 

[kaferhaus]

the swede is likely much more accurate than any 8MM you're gonna find. Butler creek, hogue, boyd and others make stocks for your rifle.

Any competent gunsmith can drill/tap your reciever for a proper scope mount.... so called "scout" mounts and those attached to the aftermarket stocks are not near as good or reliable as a reciever based mount.

 

[jefnvk]

Any competent gunsmith can drill/tap your reciever for a proper scope mount....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If you want a scoped rifle, get a commercial one, or use a scout mount. Even better, get a Swede sniper. Don't hack up perfectly good Swedes, which are already jumping up in price to the point wqhere I am beginning to not afford them.

This is unless you gun has already been bubba'd.

 

[mr.trooper]

Nope, my M38 has been taking a nap in my basement, covered in wax paper and cosmo, since the early 90's when they were slightly more affordable

Iv cleaned him off and he is now sitting in my safe awating deployment. condidtion of the wood is 95%+, while the bluing is well over 90%. The bore is verry shiny.

The deal is, the wood looks so nice that i dont want to risk dinging it up, so i was looking for a synthetic stock to put it in.

As for drilling and tapping, that definately a NO!!!! B-square makes clamp-on mounts for the 96 that do not require any modification of the rifle. Im now assuming that this will fit the 38 since its just a shortened 96.

Thanks for the info guys!!!

Now to order the stock and mounts and Top it with a $30 Wallyworld scope! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

beyond that i would maybee buy a sight hood and a screw-on muzzle break, but i dont realy care that much about that.

 

[JohnKSa]

Midway has a variety of stocks for the 96 Mausers.

 

[mr.trooper]

hmmm....perhaps i could just cut one down and re-sand it?

 

[JohnKSa]

I think they've probably got something close enough to what you want that you shouldn't have to.

You could always buy a Model 38 stock and rework it. They're out there and probably for less than an aftermarket would cost.