Maximizing Missouri Bullets

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Over the years, I have shot a lot of jacketed and plated bullet along with lead bullets. Recently, while I was doing my usual bullet comparison work up for some new powders I am trying out, one of my reloading/shooting friend asked me how I arrived at my particular loads. He was curious why I chose certain bullet type/weight/OAL/powder/charge combinations.

I was about to tell him my motto of "Holes on target speak volumes" and that ultimate accuracy is what determined my loads. But when I actually thought about how I really arrived at my various jacketed/plated/lead/Moly loads, I realized that there were many reloading/pistol/barrel length variables I factored into the loads. It wasn't always for the absolute accuracy when I worked up some lighter target loads for female/new shooters to 40S&W (although the light load turned out to be very accurate) or to duplicate factory JHP's felt recoil/POA/POI and more recently, to reduce leading in a larger bored 45ACP pistol.

I think it would benefit those new to reloading Missouri Bullets or lead bullets in general to hear the process/steps that were taken to arrive at various loads for particular pistols we often post, "I load XXX Missouri Bullets with XXX powder using XXX charge with XXX OAL."

So, what have you done to make the greatest or fullest use of Missouri Bullets?
 
I will start with my first experience with Missouri Bullets early last year.

9mm 125 gr RN (Smallball!) 18 BHN

Pistols/barrels used were Glock 22/27 with Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrels. Since I was used to shooting harder (21-24 BHN) cast bullets at near max load data to minimize leading in the past, I initially loaded my test rounds with 4.3 - 4.6 gr of W231/HP38 using 1.08" - 1.125" OAL (I started at shorter 1.08" OAL due to more "rounded" nose profile of the bullet).

I got full-length barrel leading. At this time, I wasn't fully familiar with the various aspects of bullet hardness Missouri Bullets offered (18, 15, 12, 10 BHN) as my retired local caster used to claim that harder cast bullets were better because they could be driven to higher velocities. After doing a little research and asking some questions on THR, I started my test loads again from the start charge (3.6 - 4.3 gr) using the same 1.08" - 1.125" OAL.

My leading problem decreased significantly and shot group accuracy improved. I settled at 4.1 gr of W231/HP38 using 1.10"-1.125" OAL that produced very minimal fouling/lead smear near the chamber end of the barrel.
 
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Wow, there could really be some great replies here! Where does a person start?

For me, my optimized load development begins with my choice of bullet. Because of the great selection offered by Missouri Bullet I have so many options. I tend to keep the same bullet in my inventory, cast at different hardnesses. I like to keep the 255gr LSWC for my 45 colt in both 12BHN and 18BHN. Same goes for some of the .38/.357 options. My first step in optimization would be to decide what the goals for the load are, then pick the bullet hardness appropriately.

From there comes powder selection. I have found that in my softer target loads in all calibers I shoot I really like AA#2. I get no leading when velocities are kept within proper range with this powder in all of my target loads in 45acp, 45 colt, and 38 special. My go to powder for the harder bullets in my magnum cartridges is usually 2400. Its a great max effort powder for an 18BHN bullet.

With powder decided its time to look at charge weight. I generally start somewhere in the middle of the load data for both revolvers and autoloaders. I find beginning loads do not cycle the action of an autoloader reliably, and generally are not the best performers in revolver loads either. For me it depends on the loading range. Say the beginning load is 4.8gr of AA#2 and the max is 5.6gr of AA#2. I would begin at 5.1 and load in .1gr increments to 5.5gr for my first outing, staying below max by .1gr. I load 10 rounds of each and shoot two five round groups, from a rest, at 15 yards. I make my notes appropriately, and load more of usually two of the loads, and possibly some at max, if I feel it prudent. The next outing is usually 20 of each, and shot from a rest at 25 yards. This are pistol rounds of course.

As far as OAL goes, I usually set it to whatever functions well in my autoloaders, across the whole spectrum that I shoot. I find that in 45acp, with the 230 gr LRN "SoftBall" that I can load to about 1.245 to 1.250". I find my best feeding there. A matter of interest also--that length was came upon by experiment. I had a very good shooting load and shortened it just a bit, to see what would happen. The groups just slightly tightened up and I saw a reduction in SD and ES.

I have found that my load development strategy is the same mostly as for any other bullet, however, I have found some of my most accurate loads ever with Missouri Bullet. My most accurate 45 colt, 45acp, 38 special, and 357 magnum loads are all based on a Missouri Bullet.

I have played around with all kinds of powders, I find that most work well, some better than others. Alliant powders have been great for me with any Missouri Bullet I have tried them with.

I have also spent some real time working at longer distances with some Missouri Bullet loads. The 300gr LTC in 45 colt is a spectacular long distance bullet. I have been shooting steels at 150 and 200 yards with it from a 7.5" barreled Ruger Blackhawk. The load is warm, I like to use 18.5gr of 2400 under it, which is well above SAAMI spec. This load should only be attempted in a TC or Ruger heavy fram pistol(not the new vaquero).

I find that I have more options available to me with the ability to get bullets in different hardnesses, and having them reliably be that hardness. I do not have to take as much time trying to find a load with a bullet that is just too hard for my application.
 
Thats a good point BDS. I see many time people say "These Missouri Bullets smeared lead from one end of my barrel to the other." In many cases you can help someone by directing them to the Missouri Bullet website where they can read about hardness and why it matters. Some will be stubborn, blame the bullet, and thats that. Others are open minded, take the time to learn, and find happiness. I love being able to stock a bullet in two different hardnesses for just that reason. The ability to tailor a load to an application.
 
45ACP 200 gr RNFP (IDP #4-XD) 18 BHN

I have shot a lot of 230 gr RN and 200 gr SWC out of my Glock 30 and various 1911s with around 5.0 gr of W231/HP38 loaded to 1.25" - 1.27" OAL with very good mix of accuracy and recoil and was curious about the 200 gr RN.

I initially test loaded 5.0 - 5.5 gr of W231/HP38 at 1.25" and did a comparison shoot with the 200 gr SWC. Recoil was lighter than the SWC load and accuracy was not as tight. I tried various combinations of powder charges and OALs and found that the shorter OAL produced tighter shot groups. I ended up decreasing the OAL down to 1.195" and powder charge to 5.0 gr and it produced comparable tight shot groups as the 200 gr SWC load (I think the felt recoil is slightly lighter). This is my standby load for shooters/pistols that have feeding problem with the 200 gr SWC load.
 
I dig MBC. My factors are:
powder - clean burning, meaning there is little to no residue
bullets - tight fitting in the barrel, lack of leading after firing
bullet weight - I have run 200 grain LSWC and like it a lot
OAL - I like to run around 1.268 -.270. Only issue is when I cycle rounds sometime does not clear the port. but they run crazy good in firing.
 
ljnowell said:
I love being able to stock a bullet in two different hardnesses for just that reason. The ability to tailor a load to an application.
Yes.

45ACP 200 gr SWC (Bullseye #1) 12 BHN

When I did my Promo work up last year, my initial testing with 18 BHN 200 gr SWC (IDP #1) with 5.0 gr of W231/HP38 loaded at 1.25" OAL produced accurate shot groups out of Taurus Mil Pro PT145 but caused mild leading 1/2 way down the barrel and smearing near the chamber end (keep in mind that PT145 has a short barrel comparable to Glock 26/27).

I was perplexed as this same load do not lead the various 45 pistols I have shot. What I found was that the PT145 bore was larger at .453"+ (in comparison, M&P45 bore size is .451") and the leading was caused by gas cutting and bullet base eroding. I ordered the softer 12 BHN 200 gr SWC and the leading decreased.

When I resumed my Promo testing with the 18 BHN 200 gr SWC, 4.0 gr of Promo at 1.25"-1.27" resulted minimal leading in the M&P45 with smaller .451" bore and produced much more accurate shot groups. This load has become my wife's favorite 45ACP plinking load due to mild recoil yet good accuracy.

I am now stocked up well on 12 BHN 200 gr SWC for testing lighter target loads. When the wife is happy, EVERYBODY is happy at our house. :D
 
I have been using Missouri Bullets in 115gr RN Win231 4.4gr 9mm, 180gr FP Win231 4.4gr .40 S&W & 200gr RN Win231 5.5gr .45ACP. Guns used are Colt Defender 9mm, Springfield EMP .40 S&W & Colt Defender .45ACP.
I have never shot more than 150 lead bullets at one time thru any gun, usually alternate magazines of lead, FMJ (or plated) and clean after every range session. I have only seen very, very minimal leading in any of these barrels.
I also have been using the Lewis Lead Remover cleaning kits and they work great!
 
40S&W 180 gr TCFP (IDP #5) 18 BHN

I have used W231/HP38 for various 40S&W jacketed/plated bullets in past years with good results, but when I did my Promo testing, I also included 180 gr 40S&W TCFP Missouri Bullets.

My initial powder charges ran 3.5 - 4.4 gr of Promo at 1.125" OAL. Shot out of Glock 22 (factory and LW barrels) and M&P40, range tests produced the following results with no FTF/FTE:

40S&W average shot groups:

180 gr TCFP/3.5 gr - Accuracy all over the 8x11 copy paper - Light recoil
180 gr TCFP/3.8 gr - 7 yard 2" - 10 yard 3" - 15 yard 4" - Mild recoil
180 gr TCFP/4.1 gr - 7 yard 1.5" - 10 yard 1" - 15 yard 4" - Moderate recoil
180 gr TCFP/4.4 gr - 7 yard 1" - 10 yard 2" - 15 yard 2.5" - Firm recoil

The 4.4 gr charge and the lighter 4.1 gr charge produced accurate shot groups and essentially no leading in the barrels. Even the lower 3.5 - 3.8 gr reliably cycled the slides on all the pistols and spent cases ejected behind me and to the right.

I don't plan on working up higher charges as 4.1 gr and 4.4 gr produced accurate shot groups and reliable cycling of the slides. I am got 140 gr TCFP (IDP #7), 155 gr SWC (IDP #9), and 170 gr SWC (IDP #2) with my last order so I'll load up some more 180 gr TCFP for the comparison tests.
 
BDS, are you planning on trying 4.2gr and 4.3gr on the above load? I usually before its over break into the .1gr intervals, just because the mechanic in me says "you may have missed the sweet spot!" I would also be interested in seeing those groups stretched out to 25 yards. I have found the tightest group at 10 or 15 not to be the tightest group at 25 or 30.
 
That's a good idea. I have extra disks drilled to give in-between drops from predetermined holes. I think I'll also test 3.9, 4.0 in addition to 4.2 and 4.3 gr.

Yes, the testing done at 10-15 yards was due to time constraints. Once I identify the most accurate charge at 10-15 yards, I will test at 25 yards. My indoor range is limited to 25 yards. I am planning to do some 50/100 yard testing at the outdoor range with the most accurate 25 yard loads.
 
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So, what have you done to make the greatest or fullest use of Missouri Bullets?

Mostly read what you guys that have been loading them longer have to say. :)

The biggest single thing that I was able to do to maximize the bullets was to spend some time reading up on the bullet hardness.
 
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