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Maximum DANGER range for 00 Buck?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Jenrick, Aug 12, 2013.

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  1. Jenrick

    Jenrick Member

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    I'm curious if anyone has any numbers as far as safe distance's go when referring to 00 buck? In my particular situation, if I fired a round of 00 from my bedroom (where the wife is with me, no kiddos to worry about) and missed, the pellets would encounter:

    A) Either the exterior wall of my study consisting of drywall, and then Hardy plank siding or
    B) Double pane window

    From there in a straight line the nearest piece of habitation is about 275 yards away. Additionally there's a pretty good chunk of wood line in the way that would probably eat all the pellets, but just in case....

    Assuming a level bore (or dang close to it) shot down the hallway out of my bedroom, what are the odds that the pellets are still going to be dangerous almost 300 yds away after going through all that intervening stuff?

    The main reason I ask is that I know a pistol or rifle round still has plenty of energy left over to be dangerous at 300 yards, particularly if it hits the glass. I'd imagine that the buckshot would probably be much less dangerous down range in the event of an errant pellet, or even shells worth of pellets.

    If that's the case, then I'll probably transition to a shotgun by the bed rather then a pistol or carbine to reduce the risk of errant projectiles.

    -Jenrick
     
  2. allaroundhunter

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    They won't. They will hit the ground well before then. If you fire the gun horizontally the pellets will probably hit the ground a maximum of 150 yards away, and I wouldn't even expect that.

    The pistol round fired at the same angle also would not make it a full 300 yards before hitting the ground. However, if fired at a slightly higher angle it will travel further than 00 buck.

    A .223 through drywall would actually continue on for the shortest distance, but through glass it has the potential to go further.
     
  3. oneounceload

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    Those pellets are the size of a 38, typically traveling @1200 fps or faster (like a 357), so if you think a 357 is dangerous, why would you think that 9 or more projectiles of equal or greater energy would be less so?

    223 will not penetrate as well as 00 buck
     
  4. LeonCarr

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    In Hunter Ed Class I was taught that Buckshot can pierce skin out to 500 yards. I am guessing that is when fired at an upward angle.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  5. Gordon

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    A round ball has low sectional density and the drop of 00 buckshot would be about 18 feet from the muzzle at 300 yards if fired from a flat angle. Now elevate the muzzle about 10 degrees above the object and it could get there and prolly break glass.
     
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    12 Gauge, Double 00 { don't know brand }, fired from a 12 inch barrel, fired by a wanabe gangbanger killed two 17 year old at a distance of 50 yards. So , it is at least lethal to 50 yards
     
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    Because they lose velocity much more quickly and will not remain in flight as long. They are not spin-stabilized, either.
     
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    In a Loui Awerbuck class, he mentioned a confirmed kill with a shotgun using buck at 96 yards (eye shot). I think it was a law enforcement encounter n
     
  9. Jenrick

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    oneounceload: As others have noted, the drag of a sphere is well in excess of that of any bullet. They'll loose velocity much faster so less danger range.

    -Jenrick
     
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    I know of a deer shot in front of dogs out to 75 yards, Using 3 1/2 mag 00 ; )
    Y/D
     
  11. rcmodel

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    Being round balls, they will also ricochet of the ground and take on another flight at odd angles too.

    However, after going though two walls of your house and the deep dark woods?

    I would not be overly concerned about your neighbors house 275 yards away.

    rc
     
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    One drunk 4th of July,about 35 years ago with old vietnam buddies about 5 years out, I torched off a load of blue whistlers over a big granite bolder (damn sawed off shot high) that was on a little hill behind my friends rural house in the Sierra foothills. The added angle gave me an indirect fire drop on the MOUNTAIN GIRL's cabin maybe 1000 feet up the hill and in a slight depression so out of my line of sight. :eek:
    So this half drunk 6 foot tall biker amazon comes livid around the rocks to our little party and get right in my face because the balls peppered the side of her cabin .:uhoh:
    She was soooo hot that it took all three of us eligible bachelors to get her to drink with us and calm down.:D
    As I remember the holes I spackled up were about 3/8ths deep below the surface of the fir siding.
     
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    I have personally seen a deer killed at close to 100 yards with 00 buck from a Remington 1100. We didn't have range finders but I am decent at judging distances and it was well beyond the 75 yard mark. One pellet hit the deer in the head and DRT. This was on a dog hunt 20 or so years ago and I don't know what brand of ammo but I imagine it was 2 3/4" from that gun? Feel free to correct me on that but I don't remember the old Rem 1100s with a 3" chamber.
     
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    There's a lot of difference between "dangerous" meaning capable of inflicting severe bodily harm and can intentionally hit what one aims at re: "effective range". The dangerous distance is always much greater. Remember that a shotgun, even if fired horizontally, spreads shot at angles that are both + and - horizontal so calculating based on a horizontal travel is not realistic.

    I seem to remember that the danger warnings for slugs was 3/4 mile and Buckshot somewhere around 1/4 mile, probably one of the reason its illegal to hunt withing 1/4 mile of an occupied dwelling in my state at least.
     
  16. MattShlock

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    Wow...

    Quick corrections OneOunce:

    That'd be 000 Buckshot (.36). There is a rare 0000 that is actually .38 you might find some 10 ga. chambered in but not 12 ga. for all intent and purpose.

    Let's also all remember that a 54 grain balistically inefficient .33 rolling 00 buckshot ball at 1,325 fps from the muzzle cannot propose nearly the same long range danger as a sleek 158 gr. .357 bullet at a meager 770 fps from a .38 Special.

    Buckshot have lost about 70% of their energy at 35 meters. At 50 yards that .38 roundnose has lost only about 6%! That's why I would say any number of buckshot are less dangerous than a .357 Magnum here! Your neighbors are reasonably safe Jenrick. But...

    Jenrick, it is down-home-goodness-and-internet-ignorance that 00 Buckshot is best for everything and anything but buck. And that's 'cause they sell it at Walmart. You have choices still to make. Get comfortable #0 Buckshot and you and your neighbors will be best served all around your property. And if you are thinking in and just outside your house use #4 Buckshot or MAYBE #1 Buckshot if you are paranoid and have a complex that makes you think compensating with bigger, and faster, is better and ballistics, physiology, and statistics be damned...
     
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    Down-home-goodness-and-internet-arrogance ?

    Is that 00 Buckshot or Biscuits and Gravy?

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  18. Fred Fuller

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    I used to try patterning 3" magnum loads of Federal Premium 000 buck at 100 yards when trying to stretch the range on shotguns. With the choke tube I was using then (a Patternmaster), I could get 3-4 pellets on a GI E type silhouette pretty regularly. At that range they would also fully penetrate the treated 2X6" lumber used in constructing the target stand.

    It's very true that buckshot as round balls have poor SD and bleed velocity and thus energy rapidly. Which is why, for potentially longer shots with buckshot, you should use the largest pellets that pattern well in your barrel.
     
  19. W.E.G.

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    I think the practical answer to this question is answered WITH a question:

    If you were armed with only buckshot, and a man with a rifle were shooting at you, how close would you need to be in order that you would stand and return fire, as opposed to running away?

    I would answer by saying 75-100 yards, and that's stretching it.
     
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    OO buckshot is .32 caliber, there are 9 pellets in a 2 3/4" shell. From an 18" cylinder choked barrel the pattern opens up 1" per yard generally speaking.
     
  21. MattShlock

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    Quite right. I'd have to check the reference (FBI Tests?) but I believe Plated 000 Buck from a 3" Mag was penetrating two car doors at 75 yards. This is also why it is effective in stopping Brown Bear at close range.
     
  22. Jenrick

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    To be honest, not sure how to take the first part, but I'll assume it's all meant in the best sense possible. I'll probably run #1, as it is the smallest size that provides consistent penetration to 12"+. Regardless of shot size, it'll be in Federal Tru-flight, as it patterns VERY well out of my shotgun and is very shootable.

    -Jenrick
     
  23. MattShlock

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    Jen;
    I think that penetration thing depends on range and you may be loosing effectiveness-on-target within HD range, but OK. #1 Buckshot is still better than 00 Buck within the normal range envelope.

    But what do you mean that tacticool Tru-Flite patterns "well"? I believe you already have a shotgun. They have fairly predictable patterns with certain chokes and ammo. Did you mean patterns "tight" instead of "well," and for some reason you think that's "better" and/or that's what you require!?

    PS: Love biscuits and good sausage gravy -- damn but I'm hungry now!
     
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    Had biscuits and sausage gravy from Whataburger this morning. Probably the best drive thru biscuits and gravy you can get :).

    Anyway, per various wound ballistics experts and tests done by both professionals and non professionals, #1 Buckshot offers the best combination of pattern and penetration and has the greatest potential for wounding and therefore fastest incapacitation of a threat. The OP should have no problems with #1 Buckshot traveling past 275 yards, it will probably be killing earthworms way before that.

    Just my .02,
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  25. mr.trooper

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    00 Buckshot is not the same thing as a 357 Magnum. Its not even the same thing as a 38spl.

    A 60gr pellet of buckshot @ 1200fps is not the same as a 158gr bullet at 1,200fps - not only does it carry much less energy at the muzzle, but it is MUCH less aerodynamic and sheds energy and velocity much more quickly. That gives gravity much more time to work over the same distance.

    And for what its worth, the thin aluminum sheeting car doors are made from wont stop a .22LR
     
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