Maybe a 22 for the GF
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Beretta 71, alloy frame, very lightweight, small but not too small, very reliable with all types of .22 LR ammo, not finicky, safe to carry in condition one and the last models produced had thumb safeties.
An elegant, reliable handgun.
The Mossad trusted it for their agents and the Israelis armed their first Air Marshalls with 71s.
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/israeli-mossad-22-lrs/
An elegant, reliable handgun.
The Mossad trusted it for their agents and the Israelis armed their first Air Marshalls with 71s.
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/israeli-mossad-22-lrs/
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aHFo3
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I had a P22 and traded it as soon as I discovered that it was as robust has a Hotwheels car. I've never owned a Mosquito, but I've heard the construction is similar, plus it is quite a bit larger, which dimishes the cute factor and the ease of concealability.
My wife loved the P22 and was not happy that I off loaded it, I replaced it with a S&W 34, which is a small frame target 22. I understand that your gf doesn't want a revolver.
My wife just acquired (after borrowing a friend's) a Ruger LCP. She absolutely loves it and is quite accurate with it. She is a bit recoil sensitive, but would be happy to shoot the LCP all day long. Also, the concealability is superb.
The issue I have with an autoloader 22 is that they jam too often.
I would carry a 22lr as a personal defense weapon, but it would be my last choice and only in a revolver.
good luck.
My wife loved the P22 and was not happy that I off loaded it, I replaced it with a S&W 34, which is a small frame target 22. I understand that your gf doesn't want a revolver.
My wife just acquired (after borrowing a friend's) a Ruger LCP. She absolutely loves it and is quite accurate with it. She is a bit recoil sensitive, but would be happy to shoot the LCP all day long. Also, the concealability is superb.
The issue I have with an autoloader 22 is that they jam too often.
I would carry a 22lr as a personal defense weapon, but it would be my last choice and only in a revolver.
good luck.
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2WheelsGood
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Aren't you being just a bit dramatic? That's a crack, not a "blow up".
Anyhoo, my P22 is great. I have no desire to get rid of it. That being said, It's not a carry gun.
kansersurvivor
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Go for Broke! Get a 1911 and then buy a 22 conversion for it. You both will have something to shoot then! Just a thought.
Have shot a Mosquito also...better than the P22 but in my mind, still a fun gun, not a carry gun as we had some stove pipes. But it is 22 ammo and they are not known for precision factory loading and you will always get a random light load round, which means jam for an auto loader.
Have shot a Mosquito also...better than the P22 but in my mind, still a fun gun, not a carry gun as we had some stove pipes. But it is 22 ammo and they are not known for precision factory loading and you will always get a random light load round, which means jam for an auto loader.
Nushif
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BEfore she really settles on that .22 why don't you both go out, make a day of it and run her through a lot of guns and calibers.
*You* thinking *she* can handle XYZ will lead to her not liking shooting as much, meaning less support for your hobby.
Unless you wouldn't mind her picking your gun for you.
*You* thinking *she* can handle XYZ will lead to her not liking shooting as much, meaning less support for your hobby.
Unless you wouldn't mind her picking your gun for you.
It may be fairly reliable with specific cartridges, but generally speaking .22 LR autos are finicky, and carry weapons obviously should be dependable.
The fact is that most .22 LR ammo is made with low price as the first priority, and that's OK as long as we're aware of this. A couple of misfires every few hundred rounds is common, and may be as high as several per hundred in the worst brands (e.g. Remington where rimfire is concerned). That's according to my experience and those of many here. There is reliable .22 LR ammo, but you have to know what to buy. Your blanket statement calling the whole issue BS is not helpful.
As for lethality, yes .22 LR can be quite lethal even when shot out of handguns, but it is critical to choose the right ammo--more so than it is for larger calibers.
Not every cartridge in every handgun, and not when compared to solid 9mm or .45 ACP rounds. .22 LR can achieve what is generally considered adequate penetration when you use the right handgun-ammo combination, but you need to know what you're doing.
Those are indeed great advantages, and precisely why I've recommended it to beginners for personal defense, but advice on specific weapons and ammunition, as I've given earlier in this thread, is extremely important in this caliber.
Correct, although it should be noted that while less than ideal for this task, .22 LR out of a handgun may be able to penetrate one or even two interior walls with enough momentum left over to potentially kill.
For defensive purposes with .22 LR, get a revolver--please, seriously.
It's pretty nifty in its own ways and fine for the range, but it's not one of the better .22 LR autos, and I wouldn't depend on any .22 LR auto for defensive purposes anyway.
Did she give a reason? My mom didn't want a revolver either (for home defense) because she considered them clunky and old-fashioned, but she changed her mind after I had her try a S&W 617 at the range. It's big and heavy, but with it she can pump out round after round with deadly accuracy.
The jams she got with .22 LR autos undoubtedly played a part, but she's no longer biased against revolvers in any event.The only way that even your girlfriend herself will know what she likes for sure is to try out different guns at the range. If she still wants a .22 LR auto regardless of the advice given here, then I guess it's better than nothing. In that case, the Beretta 71 (brought to our attention by geologist) sure looks intriguing, although I can't vouch for it personally.
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If it's just for range practice that's fine. If it's for self defense as well, I suggest getting something more reliable and of a more substantial caliber. .22 autoloaders that masquerade as defensive pistols are notoriously unreliable, my ruger 22/45 on the other hand is like an ak-47 in that regard.
My usual suggestion for a first time gun is a Glock 19, moderate size, simple to operate, 9mm is easy to shoot and plenty powerful, oh and cheap so lots of practice.
My usual suggestion for a first time gun is a Glock 19, moderate size, simple to operate, 9mm is easy to shoot and plenty powerful, oh and cheap so lots of practice.
Shadow 7D
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How bout you take her gun shopping and let her chose, because picking a gun is much like picking shoes... and unless you want something picked up with two finger 'eew' grip....
If you pick it for her the chances are pretty high you will end up taking it back and letting her pick something else out. Save the time and possibly money and just go to the gun shop and put your hands in your pocket. If she asks for advice, give it. If she doesn't just swipe your card when she finds the one she wants.
I have a P22. It's not a great weapon - but it does shoot cheap ammo. It's not an expensive one either, so I'm ok with it overall. It's great for new shooters, and that's what makes it fun.
There may be better options in the price range.
As far as FTF/FTE - I've shot a lot of different brands/etc. The better stuff does work a lot better - but I've found that most of these issues are related to limp wristing. If I hold the weapon very tightly it will feed anything I want through it with no issues. I don't have to hold it nearly as tightly for CCI mini mag hollow points - those go through with no problems.
Compared to my CZ 75B, the quality is really really bad. It's not a high end weapon by any means, but overall I am happy enough with it.
There may be better options in the price range.
As far as FTF/FTE - I've shot a lot of different brands/etc. The better stuff does work a lot better - but I've found that most of these issues are related to limp wristing. If I hold the weapon very tightly it will feed anything I want through it with no issues. I don't have to hold it nearly as tightly for CCI mini mag hollow points - those go through with no problems.
Compared to my CZ 75B, the quality is really really bad. It's not a high end weapon by any means, but overall I am happy enough with it.
Shadow 7D
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look around online, you usually can find a decent to great deal on a .22 pistol
Shadow 7D
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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=564531
This is the thread that tarosean is speaking of
and it makes SO much sense, but then again, I'm sure she will enjoy shoe shopping for 'you' and 'picking up' a matching set of Diamond earrings to go with 'your' new designer high heels.
This is the thread that tarosean is speaking of
and it makes SO much sense, but then again, I'm sure she will enjoy shoe shopping for 'you' and 'picking up' a matching set of Diamond earrings to go with 'your' new designer high heels.
dirtykid
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Had one ,, got rid of one ,,, wont buy another,, thats my opinion.. if you buy it at a ma-and pa style gun-shop you may be able to trade it back to them after you come to this conclusion also and ditto to the ruger MK-II,, although it would be uncomfortable to carry concealed it is a VERY reliable semi-auto 22,, i holster one evry day when im out checking trap-line
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Frozen North
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I owned a P-22 and it was very troublesome. It left a sour taste in my mouth for sure. I would not own another one based on my own experience and the numerous reports of trouble from others. I had to feed it exactly what it liked, and it was still problematic.
I traded it for a buckmark, it was a fantastic choice. A buckmark would be nearly impossible to conceal though.
Good luck to you. Have her check out some nines and 38 revolvers at the range. Most women can appreciate the bark and kick too!
I traded it for a buckmark, it was a fantastic choice. A buckmark would be nearly impossible to conceal though.
Good luck to you. Have her check out some nines and 38 revolvers at the range. Most women can appreciate the bark and kick too!
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