Mexican Matching the 7.62x54R Russian M44 & other questions.

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I am planning on buying boxes of different brands and bullet types to find out which works best before I start reloading. That will give me plenty of brass to start with too.

Anyone ever use a Cartridge Conversion Sleeve Insert, 7.62 x 54R to 7.62 x 25 Tokarev in one of these rifles. I saw one for sell but there was very little info on it. Thought if it works and shoots well I might pick one up along with a pistol in that caliber to use on smaller critters.
 
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Those inserts are glued in with Loc-Titen then left to dry overnight and are more or less semi permanent. Then you need to set the point of aim for the new ammo used. When switching back then you adjust back and remove the adapter with a broken shell extractor. Not something you would do on the fly. Also the rounds usually need to be extracted with a pin or screw driver/awl as the extractor will come up short for ejecting the smaller round. Your MAG will not work so single loading is a must.
 
I am planning on buying boxes of different brands and bullet types to find out which works best before I start reloading. That will give me plenty of brass to start with too.

Personally, I would try to stick to the same manufacturer of brass/ammunition to alleviate any concerns about internal brass dimension or case failure rate.

The M-N isn't meant to be a target rifle, but there is no harm in trying. I have had good luck with IMR-4895 and H-380 with Sierra 150 grain .311" bullets as well as Hornady 150 grain .312" bullets. If you are certain it is a Russian made rifle it most likely has a .310-.314 groove diameter. I did a ladder test with both .311 and .312 bullets up to the load manual specs and had no problems with a sticky bolt or even recoil for that matter. I have shot some old Russian surplus machine gun ammo in my M-N and the necks would split from the pressure! That rifle (M38 carbine) tried to split my shoulder with some of those loads too. I think that the load data out there is very tame to what the Russians were loading up. Of course, I was shooting them at 100F degrees + and the rounds were probably loaded up in anticipation of harsh winter weather.

If you can find Varget powder, that one did show me some sub-MOA groups out of a M-38 I have but not consistently. My dragoon won't hold a group with anything I have tried. I have a couple of 91/30's that shoot minute of pie plate with surplus and 2" groups with brown bear. I have settled on getting a 1.5" 100 yard group (handloads) as being satisfactory for my surplus rifles that may have seen more projectiles in the hole than a XXX star.

If I had the choice to do it all over again, I wouldn't have spent one penny on a Mosin-Nagant rifle, brass, dies, special bullets, or a trigger job, custom scope mount, aftermarket stock, and re-crown. You can save yourself a lot of headache buying an off the rack used 7mm magnum or 280 Remington and be able to shoot sub-MOA groups all day long with components you can find easily.

As far as pulling components and old powder and whatnot, I recommend you do it right. The M-N isn't as strong as it looks and a careless mistake may send some old scrap metal into places it doesn't belong. Be safe.

http://www.7.62x54r.net/

The above link has a lot of useful information regarding the M-N rifles. Good luck, and welcome to TheHighRoad!
 
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Does anyone use the 123 grain Boat tail bullet in the 54R round for hunting deer, If so how well did it work?
Next Is there reloading data specific to the M44 barrel length of 20 inches?
 
I've done what you're proposing many times. Back when I had Mosin-itis, I bought quite a lot of surplus ammo. My method was to pull the rounds down, dump the powder in an empty powder can and label it appropriately, re-charge the same cases with the same amount of the same powder only weighed, then re-seat the bullets. Most time the accuracy improved quite a bit.

Since you're not shooting cast, I wouldn't worry about slugging the bore. If you're worried about the 3 gr. heavier bullet, reduce the charge 10% or so then work up.

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m44s can run anywhere from .310 to .314. the only ones you have to watch out for are the finn rebarreled ones they can get a lot tighter. good results with most of them use .311 bullets when you can find them.
 
I knew that the .3125 is the norm but .3045 on the lands is just weird.

Not so weird, it's just wear and tear you're seeing, and you're working with .004" high lands. More than adequate.


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