Mexico anger high as US Border Patrol kills teen

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What do you guys think about this? Any thoughts I'd love to read them..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100609/ap_on_re_us/us_border_patrol_shooting

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – Mexicans are seething over the second death of a countryman at the hands of U.S. Border Patrol agents in two weeks, an incident near downtown El Paso that is threatening to escalate tensions over migrant issues.
U.S. authorities said Tuesday a Border Patrol agent was defending himself and colleagues when he fatally shot the 15-year-old as officers came under a barrage of big stones while trying to detain illegal immigrants on the U.S. side of the Rio Grande.

About 30 relatives and friends gathered late Tuesday to mourn Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereka, whose shooting Monday evening came along the border with Texas. He died on the Mexican side of the river.
"Damn them! Damn them!" sobbed Rosario Hernandez, sister of the dead teenager, at a wake in the family's two-room adobe house on the outskirts of Ciudad Juarez.

Preliminary reports on the incident indicated that U.S. officers on bicycle patrol "were assaulted with rocks by an unknown number of people," Border Patrol Special Operations Supervisor Ramiro Cordero said Tuesday.
"During the assault at least one agent discharged his firearm," he said. "The agent is currently on administrative leave. A thorough, multi-agency investigation is currently ongoing."

The shooting happened beneath a railroad bridge linking the two nations, and late Tuesday night a banner appeared on the bridge that said in English: "U.S. Border Patrol we worry about the violence in Mex and murders and now you. Viva Mexico!"
Less than two weeks ago, Mexican migrant Anastasio Hernandez, 32, died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing that separates San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. The San Diego medical examiner's office ruled that death a homicide.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon said Tuesday that his government "will use all resources available to protect the rights of Mexican migrants."
The government "reiterates its rejection to the disproportionate use of force on the part on U.S. authorities on the border with Mexico," the president added in a statement.

On an unpaved street, gathered around Hernandez's gray metal casket, the teen's family called for justice.
"There is a God, so why would I want vengeance if no one will return him to me. They killed my little boy and the only thing I ask is for the law" to be applied, said the boy's father, Jesus Hernandez.


His mother was less hopeful. "May God forgive them because I know nothing will happen" to them, Maria Guadalupe Huereka said.
Above the casket was a photo of the youth wearing his soccer uniform and his junior high school grade cards, which showed A's and B's.
His mother said he was a good student who never got in trouble. He was the youngest of five children, played on two soccer teams and had just finished junior high school, she said.

The case took a testy turn when U.S. and Mexican officials traded suggestions of misconduct in the incident.

Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Chihuahua state Attorney General's office, said a spent .40-caliber shell casing was found near the body — raising the question of whether the fatal shot was fired inside Mexico, although he did not explicitly make that allegation. That would violate the rules for Border Patrol agents, who are supposed to stay on the U.S. side of the border.
A U.S. official, meanwhile, said video shows the Border Patrol agent did not enter Mexico.

The official, who agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name, said the video also shows what seem to be four Mexican law enforcement officers driving to the edge of the dry but muddy bed of the Rio Grande, walking across to the U.S. side, picking up an undetermined object and returning to Mexico near the area where the boy's body was. Like their U.S. counterparts, Mexican law officers are not authorized to cross the border without permission.

According to the FBI, Border Patrol agents were responding to a group of suspected illegal immigrants being smuggled into the U.S. near the Paso Del Norte bridge, across from Ciudad Juarez around 6:30 p.m. Monday.

One suspected illegal immigrant was detained on the levee on the U.S. side, the FBI said in a statement. Another Border Patrol agent arrived on the concrete bank where the now-dry, 33-foot (10-meter) wide Rio Grande is, and detained a second person. Other suspects ran back into Mexico and began throwing rocks, the FBI said.

At least one rock came from behind the agent, who was kneeling beside a suspected illegal immigrant whom he had prone on the ground, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons said.

The agent told the rock throwers to stop and back off, but they continued. The agent fired his weapon several times, hitting one who later died, said the FBI, which is leading the investigation because it involved an assault on a federal officer. The agent was not injured, Simmons said.

Chihuahua state officials released a statement demanding a full investigation into the death.
The boy was shot once near the eye, Sandoval said. Authorities were still investigating the bullet's trajectory, he said.

Sandoval said he couldn't comment on the video reported by the U.S. official because he didn't know anything about it. "I am unaware about those hypotheses," he said.

Sandoval said Mexican investigators were questioning three teenagers who were with the victim at the time of the shooting.

The boy's sister, Rosario, told Associated Press Television News that her brother was playing with several friends and did not plan to cross the border.

"They say that they started firing from over there and suddenly hit him in the head," she said.

The boy's mother said he had gone to eat with his brother, who handles luggage at a border customs office. While there, he met up with a group of friends and they decided to hang out by the river, she said.

"That was his mistake, to have gone to the river," she said in an interview with Mexico's Milenio TV. "That's why they killed him."

Mexico's Foreign Relations Department said its records indicate the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by U.S. immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year, which is not half over.

T.J. Bonner, president of the union representing Border Patrol agents, said rock throwing aimed at Border Patrol agents is common and capable of causing serious injury.

"It is a deadly force encounter, one that justifies the use of deadly force," Bonner said.
 
The outrage expressed in the National media over this event just shows that not only have we lost control of our borders, but that we have lost the political will to gain control of them.

Viva la Reconquista!

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Its awfully interesting.. And this part boils my blood

The official, who agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name, said the video also shows what seem to be four Mexican law enforcement officers driving to the edge of the dry but muddy bed of the Rio Grande, walking across to the U.S. side, picking up an undetermined object and returning to Mexico near the area where the boy's body was. Like their U.S. counterparts, Mexican law officers are not authorized to cross the border without permission

Could it be that they deliberately walked over to the US side and picked up that shell casing and dropped it on the Mexican side to make it look like the USBP had crossed the border and fired?? Do they not think that basic investigation and ballistics will reveal the flight path of the bullet and its likely starting point?
 
The problem is that the kid was on the Mexican side of the border and only throwing rocks. If a non-LEO shot a kid across a river for throwing rocks, he'd go to prison. If he shot a kid across an international border, he'd go to prison here and then when released go to prison in the other country.

This was a bad shoot. The kid deserves a good 30 days in juvenile, not a bullet in the head.
 
Well lets see here,

Mexicans are assuming,

1. the right to enter the US regardless of laws,
2. the right to continue to speak Spanish and leave the responsibility for translation to the gringo.
3. the right to receive, education, healthcare and other social services.
4. and now the right to stone LEO's for doing their job, assuming no retaliation.

Well damn, I'd be angry with the US also, where is the gratitude for years of illegal drugs, unskilled labor and tuck and roll that they have so generously provided us?

Much easier to bash the US than to get control of the miserable economy, corruption and violence in their own patch.

Agreed that it may be a bad shoot and the officer involved may deserve to have a ton of bricks fall on him, but this is tapping into redirected frustrations of many Mexicans with a sense of entitlement. Calderone has lately been stirring this pot with highly visible US criticisms, diverting attention from his miserably failing government. I wonder how many would feel free to stone North Korean or Former East German border guards? or even Chinese?
 
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Are large, thrown rocks likely to cause serious bodily harm or death? Yes. Because of this I feel the shooting was justified. The border agent in question was not able to just run away from the barrage, because he was in the middle of making an arrest, so the assault had to be stopped.

This is why I will never work for the border patrol, if things go south, they won't have your back because of political correctness.

I also believe we need to let the military take control of the entire U.S. border, especially the southern one. Where else should a military be if not at the nation's borders?
 
Ben i agree.. The thing with the border and military though. I think since Mexico is considered a "friend" in the eyes of our leaders...That military on the borders is "excessive". After all, its not a DMZ type of situation (Example: North Korea and South Korea) Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you, the drugs crossing the border on top of everything else is way out of hand..But of course we are at the mercy of our political leaders..
 
The news article describes the agents being assaulted with 'big stones'. From that description, I would have to agree with the quoted statement from T.J. Bonner, that this was a deadly force encounter, where the agents (as well as their detainee for that matter) were in serious risk of bodily injury or death had they not acted to defend themselves.

The description of events in the article also describes that the agent in question did attempt to get the assailants (and that's exactly what they are) to stop throwing rocks before using his firearm as a last resort.

So, to summarize, the 15 year old chose to be a part of an angry mob that was throwing large rocks at American Border Patrol agents with the intent to injure or kill. The Agent followed a typical model of escalation of force, and fired his weapon to defend himself, his detainee, and the other agents involved.

Good shoot.
 
Are large, thrown rocks likely to cause serious bodily harm or death? Yes. Because of this I feel the shooting was justified.

Tell it to the judge when you shoot a 15 year old kid throwing rocks from across a river. Good luck with that!

As RSWartsell points out above, the shoot plays right into the hands of the entitlement culture. The political spin that will result from this is a separate issue that in no way makes the shoot legitimate.
 
The description of events in the article also describes that the agent in question did attempt to get the assailants (and that's exactly what they are) to stop throwing rocks before using his firearm as a last resort.

Did he consider taking his suspect and walking away?
 
Illegal immigrants come to this country, pay no taxes, receive huge welfare checks/free eduction/etc, create violent warzones in our inner cities, and are now pissed when our LEO's defend themselves!?!

I say screw them and the crappy box trucks they rode in on!
 
I would say at that point, simply taking the suspect and walking away would also be dereliction of duty, in my opinion.

These are Border Patrol Agents, and their job is to secure our border. Not retreat from it and allow people to cross them illegally when pelted with rocks.
 
I would say at that point, simply taking the suspect and walking away would also be dereliction of duty, in my opinion.

But shooting across the border is OK? He already had his border crosser, so he merely had to walk a few yards out of rock range. Personally, I hope they turn him over to the Mexican authorities.
 
There are certainly a lot of unanswered questions at this point, but the hollering and grandstanding by the Mexican govt. sound really fishy to me. 4 of their folks come on this side, from the video, and nothing is said about an International incident by our side. This has got to quit but the politicos in DC just ignore it to get votes. Things like this only make the Tea Party more viable. We need real change and we need it now.
 
What makes you think the mob would not pursue the border patrol agents?

The article clearly described the river at that point of the border as being dry. No body of water to keep them from just pursuing on foot.

There is no information in the article on this either way, so I will grant that you have a potentially valid point.
 
There are certainly a lot of unanswered questions at this point, but the hollering and grandstanding by the Mexican govt. sound really fishy to me. 4 of their folks come on this side, from the video, and nothing is said about an International incident by our side. This has got to quit but the politicos in DC just ignore it to get votes. Things like this only make the Tea Party more viable. We need real change and we need it now.

Agreed...
 
I would say at that point, simply taking the suspect and walking away would also be dereliction of duty, in my opinion.

These are Border Patrol Agents, and their job is to secure our border. Not retreat from it and allow people to cross them illegally when pelted with rocks.
Regardless, I believe there have been accounts saying that he was "surrounded". I would like to see the video. I think it would answer a lot of questions, and much of what will be said will be speculation until that time.
 
We can discuss the legalities of shooting events, when there's enough data to have a discussion. We can discuss the tactics of self defense against an angry mob.

But the politics of border control is not on topic here, nor is idle speculation about shooting events about which there is not yet any real information.
 
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