Border patrol agents in Mexican prison for trying to bring in 1300 rounds of ammo

[gc70]

That is a pretty arrogant attitude. It could be likened to saying, "We are going to break another country's soverign law and if they don't like it, we will come in and shoot them for it. We are the United Freaking States of America and you better fear us."

I'm not very good with quotes, but... Theodore Roosevelt?

 

[Flatfender]

Shortly before the agents were arrested, this was heard:

"Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!"

 

[nemesis]

You pays yo' money and you takes yo' chances.

Sounds like the boys were doin' a little bit of private business. Not at all uncommon in these parts. It is not at all rare for Customs Officers or Border Patrol officers to do a little business on the side. Don't expect any tears from me. The curiosity is that the violators are ALMOST always Hispanic/Latino/Mexican-American. Seldom are gueros involved.

Mexico's gun (and ammunition) laws are predicated on the concept of keeping arms and ammunition out of the hands of the unwashed masses. They are not so afraid of invasion from without as rebellion from within.

 

[centac]

So if 2 Mexican Federal Police entered into the US with 1200 rounds of ammo, or 1200 pounds of reefer, we should just throw'em back.....

Their country, their rules.

And if you dont think yanquis cross over and commit crimes you sure havent spent ANY time on their side of the line.
Do y'all have any idea of how many gringo hoods go to Mexico 'cause its, Mexico?

 

[Don Gwinn]

Geez, thanks, Nemesis. I was starting to think we were all going to have to go on pretending to believe that these guys just innocently wandered across the border and forgot they had a couple of cases of .40 ammo in the backseat.

Maybe they did, but it seems to me it's a lot more likely they were heading into a country where that ammunition is banned and therefore can be sold for lots of money because they wanted to make some of that easy money.

 

[Brian Dale]

Do y'all have any idea of how many gringo hoods go to Mexico 'cause its, Mexico?

Ummm, fewer than the number of illegal aliens that are here from Mexico?

Also fewer than the number of garden-variety criminals that are here from Mexico?

What do I win?

But Border Patrol agents need to NOT smuggle. It's bad.

 

[Fletchette]

<sarcasm on>

What?!? The Mexicans have the audacity to secure their border? How dare they! They are racist! Those bastards have no business enforcing their laws! We should file a complaint with Vincente Fox! File an injunction with the U.N.! After all, we should embrace a policy of willing bullets for willing guns!

<sarcasm off>

 

[Art Eatman]

I go to Ojinaga, across from Presidio, TX, fairly regularly. One thing I do before leaving home is check under the seats, in the console and in the glove box for "stray" stuff. Any cartridge, whatever pistol or knife got left in the truck overnight, and I generally take out anything that might be attractive to a window-breaker.

I've never had the first sign of any problem at the border, going or coming. I've never had the first sign of a hassle in Ojinaga. But there's more to insurance than some piece of paper for which I pay a monthly premium...

Art

 

[El Rojo]

Ummm, fewer than the number of illegal aliens that are here from Mexico?

Also fewer than the number of garden-variety criminals that are here from Mexico?

The numbers really don't matter. Either it is illegal for illegal aliens to come here and it is illegal for our citizens to try and take ammo into their country, or it isn't. This isn't a relative issue where the person who does it the most is at fault. Either it is wrong or it isn't. Plain and simple. Sorry, but two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[rayra]

Two weeks ago, another hispanic Border Patrol agent from the same region / office was found Guilty of attempting to smuggle 750-lbs of marijuana into the US, in his Patrol vehicle.

Something is VERY wrong in the Imperial County Border Patrol office.

 

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

OMG! Where are THR's Border Guards! Just think if this were reversed!

We have invaded Mexico! War! Cry "havoc" and let slip the tinfoil hats of war!

Are you saying the situations are equivalent somehow?

Are there 15-20 million American illegals currently sucking off the welfare tit in Mexico?

Are 40% of the violent felons in Mexican prisons American illegals?

Any gangs of American illegals hooked up with Al-Queda committing machete murders in Mexico City parks like MS-13 is doing here in D.C.?

Are there millions of American illegals driving around Mexico with no car insurance?

Are there tens of thousands of violent American felons living free of any extradition worries here in the US after committing their crimes down in Mexico?

Does Mexico have a President that thinks all of this is actually good for Mexico?


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¿Usted está diciendo las situaciones es equivalente de alguna manera?

¿Hay 15-20 millones de illegals Americanos que aspiran actualmente del tit del bienestar en México?

¿Son los 40% de los criminales violentos en prisiones mexicanas illegals del Americano?

¿Cualquier cuadrilla de illegals Americanos enganchada para arriba con asesinatos del machete del al-Queda que confían en los parques de Ciudad de México como MS-13 está haciendo aquí en Washington D.C.?

¿Hay millones de illegals Americanos que conducen alrededor de México sin seguro de coche?

¿Hay diez de millares de criminales Americanos violentos que viven libremente de extradición se preocupa aquí en los Estados Unidos después de confiar sus crímenes abajo en México?

¿México tiene un presidente que piense que todo el esto es realmente bueno para México?

 

[Gifted]

Any gangs of American illegals hooked up with Al-Queda committing machete murders in Mexico City parks like MS-13 is doing here in D.C.?

Story please.

 

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

Story please

U.S. Department of Justice
United States Attorney Eastern District of Virginia

NEWS RELEASE

U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty announced that a federal grand jury returned an indictment today charging Denis Rivera, also known as “Conejo,†20, of Alexandria, Virginia; Oscar Antonio Grande, also known as “Pantera,†21, of Fairfax, Virginia; Ismael Juarez Cisneros, also known as “Arana,†25, of Vienna, Virginia, and Oscar Alexander Garcia-Orellana, also known as known as “Gato,†31, of Fairfax, Virginia, with the murder of Brenda Paz, also known as “Smiley†whose body was discovered in Shenandoah County, Virginia, on July 17, 2003.

The five count indictment charges all four defendants with conspiracy to tamper with a witness or an informant; conspiracy to retaliate against a witness or informant; killing a person aiding a federal investigation; tampering with a witness or an informant and retaliating against a witness or an informant.

All five counts are punishable by the death penalty or imprisonment for life.

They are all currently in custody.

This murder involved the slaying of a 17-year-old pregnant federal witness, Paz, before she could testify in a pending federal trial in the Eastern District of Virginia.

In November 2003 Rivera was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and first degree murder for the murder of Joaquin Diaz on Dangerfield Island on September 16, 2001. Rivera is serving a life sentence.

As revealed in indictment, each defendant is a member of the Mara Salvatrucha, also known as “MS-13." Rivera is a member of the “BGLS†clique, also known as the Big Gangsters Locos Salvatrucha; Grande and Cisneros are members of the “CLS†clique, also known as the Centrales Locos Salvatrucha; and Garcia-Orellana is a member of the “MDLS†clique, also known as the Modesto Locos Salvatrucha.

“Today’s charges are a major step forward in our united law enforcement efforts against gang violence in Northern Virginia. Through the extraordinary cooperation of over a dozen law enforcement agencies, the most serious federal charges have been brought against a group of vicious, violent criminals. In addition, this indictment demonstrates that those who threaten or retaliate against witnesses in criminal investigations will be dealt with in the most severe terms†stated U.S. Attorney McNulty. Mr. McNulty also praised the work of the Shenandoah Sheriff’s Office; Virginia State Police; Alexandria, Arlington County, Fairfax County and Montgomery County Police Departments; United States Park Police; Federal Bureau of Investigation; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; United States Marshals Service; Arlington County and Fairfax County Sheriffs’ Departments; the 10th District Task Force and the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

It should be noted that all defendants are innocent until proven guilty.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/vae/ArchivePress/JunePDFArchive/04/ms13062404.pdf

 

[jsalcedo]

Good post and excellent point Cool hand.

 

[Gifted]

Thanks Cool Hand. Not very surprised, but with all the crap flying around today, I like to see confirmation.

 

[Leatherneck]

I think MS-13 had its origins in El Salavador, but in reality, the vast majority of members in the Hispanic gang around here are mexicans.

TC

 

[Owen]

My understanding is that MS13 was formed in response to the Mexican gangs that were riding El Salvadorians..

But this is OT