Border patrol agents in Mexican prison for trying to bring in 1300 rounds of ammo

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Officials say they had 1,300 bullets
By Sandra Dibble
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
May 3, 2005

TIJUANA – Two U.S. Border Patrol agents were behind bars yesterday after driving into Mexico with nearly 1,300 bullets, authorities said.

German Verdugo and David Allen Navarro, both assigned to the El Centro sector, were arrested late Friday after crossing into Mexicali, U.S. and Mexican authorities said.

They are being held at the Mexicali prison, and face federal ammunitions charges. The pair drove south in a lane marked for vehicles with no customs declarations, but their 2004 Lincoln Navigator was pulled aside for random inspection, according to a statement from the Mexican Attorney General's Office, or PGR.

In the back seat of the SUV, the inspectors found a box containing 1,286 .40-caliber hollow-point bullets, according to the PGR. The inspectors also found 10 .223-caliber Winchester rifle bullets, the statement said.

The agents "were not on U.S. government business when they were crossing into Mexico," said Liza Davis, spokeswoman at the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana. They were off-duty and driving a private vehicle, she said.

Mexico has strict weapons and ammunitions laws, and those detected bringing firearms and bullets into the country face stiff punishment.

Ignorance of the law is rarely excused. In 1999, a U.S. Marine from Camp Pendleton who inadvertently drove into Mexico with a handgun and a disassembled semi-automatic assault rifle was released after two weeks once the Mexican prosecutors petitioned a federal judge to drop charges following an outcry from U.S. officials.

According to the PGR, the Border Patrol agents were unable to show permits to import the ammunition, restricted for use by the Mexican military.

A Border Patrol spokesman said the agency assigns its agents .40-caliber hollow-point bullets, but could not confirm that the agency uses the .223-caliber bullets.

Miguel Hernandez, a spokesman for the El Centro sector, could not say why the two were crossing, nor why they were in possession of the ammunition. "The investigation is still pending," Hernandez said.
 
According to the PGR, the Border Patrol agents were unable to show permits to import the ammunition, restricted for use by the Mexican military.

I thought the use of hollow point ammunition by military forces was illegal?
 
Mexico has strict weapons and ammunitions laws, and those detected bringing firearms and bullets into the country face stiff punishment.

You mean they do care about border security? Say it ain't so!
 
According to the PGR, the Border Patrol agents were unable to show permits to import the ammunition, restricted for use by the Mexican military.
I thought the use of hollow point ammunition by military forces was illegal?

I think the problem is that firearms and ammunition in general are restricted in Mexico. I'm not sure if Mexicans can own smaller calibers and military calibers (i.e. 9mm and up) are restricted or if all firearms are prohibited. Either way, the agents brought in ammo and now they are screwed.

You are correct on the hollow point issue though. Under either...the Hague Convention or the Geneva Convention, military forces are prohibited from using hollow points in war. I always get those two mixed up. I THINK it's the Hague Convention.
 
Yeah, but those are rules of war. Doesn't say anything about using them to keep your own citizens in line.

Hmmm...Border Patrol agents driving a 2004 Navigator. Dang, they must get paid pretty well! Or could it be something else?
 
Something Else

...I'll bet. Just another case of our dotgov 'elite' and rampant corruption.

One man's opinion.
 
My uncle got into a automobile accident just across the border in Tecate. He had a 1911 magazine and a single round of .45 acp in the glove box. No guns. He was jailed under the same statute that includes "invasion of the country by an armed, foreign force." About the time he was to be transported to the La Mesa prison, he broke out of the jail and made a run for the border. :what: But that's a story for another time.

Mexico takes its weapons laws very seriously.




Scott
 
Mexico takes its weapons laws very seriously.

Uh, yeah - How else can you corruptly suppress people...

Well, it's great we're having the Mexican invasion we're having in this country... We'll have millions and millions of new voters that are already conditioned to be anti-gun and anti-ammunition.

Good grief.
 
About the time he was to be transported to the La Mesa prison, he broke out of the jail and made a run for the border. But that's a story for another time.
Oh you can't just post something like that and walk away ... go start another thread and tell that whole story. :what:
 
According to the PGR, the Border Patrol agents were unable to show permits to import the ammunition, restricted for use by the Mexican military.


I thought the use of hollow point ammunition by military forces was illegal?
It's the .223 that did them in. Military calibers are not allowed. 9mm is not allowed, while .38 super is. I don't know if they consider .40 a military caliber. Yes the laws are stupid, but I don't think that's going to help them. :(
 
mexico is holdiing these guys in some futile attempt that the sector they patrol will be under-manned and then more illegals could get through. :D jk
 
OMG! Where are THR's Border Guards! Just think if this were reversed!

We have invaded Mexico! War! Cry "havoc" and let slip the tinfoil hats of war!

*yawn*

Bogus comparisons do seem to be the forte of some around here and it seems to tie in with several other consistent behavior patterns as well.
 
You know, I really can't imagine how bad it would be for agents from La Migra
in the general population of a Mexican prison.

They would be facing Bubboso or a Tiajuana neck tie.
 
There was a time in our countries' storied past where if anyone screwed with an American, let alone a government agent, that the Marines would be sent in to take over the third world hell hole that it was and straighten out whoever was in charge of the nonsense, what I'm getting at is, whatever happened to the good old days?
 
There was a time in our countries' storied past where if anyone screwed with an American, let alone a government agent, that the Marines would be sent in to take over the third world hell hole that it was and straighten out whoever was in charge of the nonsense, what I'm getting at is, whatever happened to the good old days?
That is a pretty arrogant attitude. It could be likened to saying, "We are going to break another country's soverign law and if they don't like it, we will come in and shoot them for it. We are the United Freaking States of America and you better fear us."

Sorry, but Mexican Law saws not to import ammunition. I would think Border Patrol agents would know that better than anyone. They are screwed and I wouldn't change my opinion no matter who they are. Don't try to enter Mexico with prohibited items or you might face the consequences. They don't have a 2nd Amendment, so that is that.

Now the GI who got in the wrong lane and entered Mexico without wanting to, that is understandable.
 
If there is anyone, anyone on the face of the planet that should have known about Mexico's gun laws, it would be the Border Patrol agents.

Very bad move on their part, and Mexico is within their rights to prosecute them.

Someone mentioned the case in 1999, that one was a little different, since he had only accidentally crossed -he meant to get off one exit prior, and made an honest mistake, and tried to U-turn at the border, and thats how they got him.

I.G.B.
 
El Tejon,

Few problems here...

First, several of those armed Mexican Military members actually have shot at our border patrol, that is an act of war.

Second, these 2 border patrol agents weren't armed, they didn't have any firearms.

Third, you are able to find one occurance of an American going and breaking Mexican Laws.....Great. How many more examples are there of Mexican's crossing and breaking our laws? Atleast the agents were going through an actual border checkpoint.....

I.G.B.
 
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