Mil Pro PT145 - Update

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I posted this previously over on TFL in response to a question from denfoote. I remember I said I would give an update here as well.

One additonal note: I'm not sure if there was a light strike problem for Taurus to fix in the first place. There were 4 boxes of Win ammo that were 2 years old and had been sitting in my garage. I would consistently get a light hit once every mag. As stated below, never had this problem with any other ammo.


"denfoote,

I have shot approx. 1100 rounds and the only problem I have had was in the beginning. I was getting some light primer strikes with White box Winchester but no other brands. The rounds would always light on the second strike but it bugged me - so I sent it to Taurus. I got it back 2 weeks later and the problem had been fixed and it has been smooth sailing ever since. No cracks, no failures to feed or eject. Occasionally the slide will release during a hard reload but I have had that happen with other pistols as well.

As to your question on 230 grain bullets? When I received back the 145, from Taurus, it came with a target with notes on brand and grains. Guess what? It said 230 grain Winchester White. Up until this time I had been shooting primarily 185's. I called Taurus and talked to them and they said 230's were ok to shoot. I have shot approx. 500 230 grainers without any problems or cracking.

Another neat feature is the Mil Pro will take Para P14 mags and I believe P12 and 13's as well. P10's, however, will not work. It is fun to be on the range and have that little pistol banging away 15 times without missing a beat.

For the size, capacity, price and after 1100 rounds, I would say give it another try.

I had a previous bad experience with the Para P10 and I am now thinking about the Warthog the same way your are thinking about the Mil Pro. I hope it is more than just the extractor they replaced or improved upon. I had FTE's galore and a cracked frame to boot."
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Hey steelhead,
Here is what I'm talking about.
This is taken from the on line PT-145 Mil Pro manual available at the Taurus web site.

Taurus pistols were designed to use cartridges loaded to the limits shown
below. Other cartridges of various types or bullet weights may or may not
function acceptably; such ammunition should be thoroughly tested by the
user before relying on it. Because of the widely differing specifications of such
other ammunition, Taurus cannot be responsible for malfunctions resulting
from its use.
BULLET MUZZLE
CALIBER WEIGHT VELOCITY
.32 ACP.................................................... 71 GR FMP 905 FPS
.380 ACP.................................................. 95 GR FMJ 1000 FPS
9MMPARA. ..............................................124 GR FMJ 1225 FPS
.357 SIG ..................................................125 GR FMJ 1350 FPS
.40 S&W ..................................................180 GR FMJ 985 FPS
.45 ACP....................................................225 GR FMJ 900 FPS



As you can see, they give the limit for .45ACP ammo as being 225gr. Notice that they also state that if you use ...say 230gr ammo, they are not responsible for any malfunctions!!!

I trust what is in print, because that is what their lawyers are gunna point to if it ends up in court!! Also, I believe that if you use "non-standard" ammo, and they consider 230gr to be "non standard" (see above), then it voids your wonderful lifetime warrantee!!!
As far as I'm concerned, nothings changed!!

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me!!!

---Lt. Commander Montgomery Scott
USS Enterprise NCC-1701
 
Nope, no snakes for me!!
Any gun maker who makes a pistol chambered for the .45acp that does not design it to accept the industry ammunition standard that has been in place for nearly a century does not get my business!!

At first, I thought it must be a misprint, then my frame cracked...
 
The PT145 I saw (owned by an aquaintance) broke multiple times in different ways on various trips to the range. Of course, I think the poor fool was shooting that exotic, bizarre .45 ACP ammo variant known as standard-presure 230gr FMJ. :D
 
Yep, my manual states that as well. Very good point on liability. I am going to call them back and see if they are going to change the manual or what. Of course, I have evidence from them that they test their own PT145's with 230 GR.

I only use the 230 for practice along with 185 FMJ's but for carry I stick to 185's Golden Sabers. I want to keep the velocity up, so for me it is a non-issue.

Plus it only voids the warranty if you tell them you were using 230's:D .


Don't blame you for feeling the way you do, as I am still sitting on the fence about the Warthog. Anyone want to volunteer and get one of those and give us a range report after 250, 500, 1000.
 
steelhead I have a new Warthog10+1 that will shot any kind of 230gr .45s.FMJ or hollow points.

I have shot hundreds of rounds and the problem I had was the last round #11 would nosedive in both mags that came with the gun.I had installed Wolf springs and at first #11 still nosedived.After 100 more rounds the Warthog now shoots every round.

I added a mag extender for a better hold as this little gun jumps but The recoil is not much. I shot with both hands at first and after a while became use-to the gun and now shoot one handed and can quickly get back to target.The trick on this 3" gun is simple keep the wrist locked.

Check the 1911 forum (Para) there were some problems at first , most mag related and the new extracter is bigger then any on my other 1911s.
 
You get me a signed statement, on company letterhead, stating that it is acceptable to use that weird standard pressure and grain weight ammo in the '145, and I might again bite.
Until then... :rolleyes:

Point (again) is: A shot target with "230gr W.W.B." written on it, ain't gunna cut it!!!
The lawyers are gunna claim that whomever tech tested your gun, violated company policy by using non-standard ammunition in it!!!! :what:

That's why I don't think they will do it!!! :uhoh:
 
Does the Millenium Pro have second strike capability or do you have to reset the trigger?
 
Millenium has a true DAO trigger it'll strike as long as you keep pulling.

Do y'all really think lawyers on either side are going to get involved over claims against a $325 gun's warrenty?

If it breaks and you are persistant they will fix it if only to make you go away.
Marketing a gun that is not safe to use with all standard SAMMI spec ammo for the caliber would seem to be an invite to get the product liability vultures involved.

I've shot pretty much nothing but Wolf 230 gr ball in my PT145 non-Pro Millenium. No problems so far. Seems very reliable. I did try a few of my 230 gr Hard Cast Lead RN reloads which were fine, Didn't reliably feed my 200 gr Hard Cast Lead SWC reloads, but neither does my PT945 or Para P10.

--wally.
 
Geez, guys! What a bunch of hand-wringing over a manufacturers endorsed limitation on the maximum pressure of cartridges to be used in it's guns. Does anyone here seriously think that any modern firearms manufacturer would produce a gun chambered for a specific caliber that wouldn't be safe to fire with any commonly available factory- or military-loaded cartridge in that caliber? The "limits" that denfoote and others cite based on Taurus literature are for a 225-gr bullet @ 900 FPS. IIRC, the "hardball" load for the .45 is a 230-gr bullet @ ~850 FPS. I would imagine that the 50 FPS less velocity would more than compensate in pressure for the 5 grs greater bullet weight.

That having been said, I'm now up to about 400 rds through my PT-145 Millennium Pro, with all but about 10 rds of it being 230-gr fodder. Contrary to all the expectations of those who got burnt by the early Millennium series pistols, the gun just hasn't blown to smithereens right in my hand. Hasn't even shown any real signs of wearing, yet. With the application of some Slide-Glide, it has proven 100% reliable with hardball and 230-gr flat point TMJ ammo.

Those that look for a reason not to buy a PT-145 Millennium Pro can keep contemplating all of the whatifs. I'm perfectly happy with mine.
 
After a lot of research, I decided to buy a PT145 Millennium Pro (stainless), and I am impressed. I went from the dealer straight to the range--fired 100 rounds of Blazer 230 gr. FMJ's and 20 Federal 230 gr. JHP Hydra-Shoks...it functioned without a flaw...and I really like the trigger. This gun is going to replace my Glock 27 as my "console" gun in my Jeep.

Now the question--HOW DO YOU GET THE BASEPLATE OFF THE MAGAZINE? I'm going to do a thorough cleaning, including the mag parts--but there is no center post to push through plate--just an open "notch" on the back of the mag at the bottom.

Thanks for any advice.:D
 
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