mil surp of the future

[pipboy]

Everyone talks of how the cheap rifles of today will eventually get more expensive, this is of course true, however i would like to know what will be the good cheap mil surplus of the future, what can a young shooter look forward too?

 

[mattw]

Not much. I don't think the CMP is going to be getting M16A2s or M9s any time soon.

 

[Hoppy590]

i think possibly some M14 parts or M16 uppers. are the next CMP items. we could see some semi auto M14's but i donno how many the mil still has

maybe the CMP will move into importing all kinds of foriegn stuff?


as for outside the CMP. i cant imagine anything can one up the 2 milsurp leaders. Quality= K31 Quantity= Mosins

 

[Glockfan.45]

M16 uppers, M9, Semi-M14, and M14 parts kits.

 

[mattw]

I seriously doubt we will be seing semi auto M14s. Clinton gave most of 'em away to other countries and now the military is scrambling to keep the few they could dig up once we went to Afghanistan (big open terrain calls for a .308) and I heard they were even buying some SA M1As.

 

[Dave Markowitz]

You won't see any M-14s.

Those that we still have are still in use. Even if they were no longer needed, according to ATF, "once a machinegun always a machinegun." Although most M-14s were issued with the selector blocked so they could fire semiauto only, they are still classed as MGs by the .gov.

 

[Hoppy590]

Dave Markowitz

well we could see them as parts kits, sans reciever. since the reciever is the "machine gune" to the BATFExyz . again its a long shot, i agree. since i dont know how many m14's we still have. but i cant imagine we gave away that many. and even if we did. we could always see them again in the future, since the CMP sells foriegn lent guns ( the incoming m1 carbines are all foriegn lends)

 

[mattw]

If the military still uses M14s don't you think they would want to keep the spare parts?

Clinton gave away ALOT of the M14s. Not even sold.. gave.

we could always see them again in the future,

We will probably see the wrong end as it is aimed by some african or middle-easterner.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

If the military still uses M14s don't you think they would want to keep the spare parts?

Clinton gave away ALOT of the M14s. Not even sold.. gave.

Quote:
we could always see them again in the future,
We will probably see the wrong end as it is aimed by some african or middle-easterner.

He was probably thinking "well, they wont be our problem anymore..."

 

[ZeSpectre]

I think the milsurps of the future will all be from foreign countries.

 

[armoredman]

Ditto, ZeSpectre.

 

[P5 Guy]

Won't be any as most Military Rifles are automatics or burst fire and GCA '34, '68 and '86 ain't going away anytime soon

 

[velojym]

Too much PC pressure to deny useable military style weapons to us poor peons.
Some of the more neoliberal folks I know around here think the CMP is merely
riding the trailing edge of a wave that 'should have' broken years ago.
I can't see into the future, but I don't hold much hope that any oppressive
government will be keen on providing the tools which may need to be one day
used against them.

 

[telomerase]

what can a young shooter look forward to?

Confiscation of the existing milsurps under the politicians that the old shooters voted in.

 

[telomerase]

I seriously doubt we will be seing semi auto M14s. Clinton gave most of 'em away to other countries

Which countries? Relatively peaceful ones? (Not that we should single out Clinton for that... it's not as bad as giving uranium to Stalin, or nuclear reactors to North Korea, or nerve gas precursors to Saddam, or... why do we have presidents again?)

 

[Rosstradamus]

i dont know how many m14's we still have. but i cant imagine we gave away that many.

From Boston's Gun Bible:

1,380,346 were made from 1957 to 1963. Only 20-50K are left in U.S. inventories today [2002]. First, the USG gave away about 450,000 M14s as free Excess Defense Articles. Then, even though storage cost only a buck/year per rifle, they destroyed 750,000 M14s by 1996. Finally, Klinton gave away 90,000 M14s to Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania in 1998-99.

 

[Stretchman]

I think that fact that there is no surplus is indicative of a better trend in Government planning and spending. Surplus military weapons came from having too many of the old style weapons left over after new weapons were issued. But then, no one knw how long WWII was going to go on for, and weapons were being made under contract due to need.

There have been some improvements made to Mr Stoner's design, but in all fairness, I can't see the venerable battle rifle of the US being phased out any time soon. Pretty much says a lot about the ARMALITE model 15, does it not?

Let's not even begin to discuss Kalishnikovs. They are the surplus weapon of choice for terorists the world over. But, other people like them too.

Personally, I'd like to see a magazine fed Marlin. Accurate, and dependable. With a banana clip, they'd be the stuff.

Stretch
Quit cigs 1W 19h 12m ago. So far saved $46.80, 312 cigs not smoked.and counting .

 

[velojym]

I would hesitate to call the M16 a 'battle rifle', but to each his own.

I haven't done the research, but I wonder if they just quietly destroy
the more modern rifles they decide they no longer need... without letting
us know in the first place.
Also, the EBRs are select-fire, which brings about the difficulties mentioned earlier,
"once a machine-gun, always a machine-gun"... you know how these government
types love their cookie cutter mentality.