Which of the rifles listed is better for Military or in a serious fire fight situation? I hope to get some response from veteran or serving folks who have first hand experience. I would also welcome if any of you would like to share any frequent mal-functions that you experienced related to these rifles.
Military/Serious Situation Rifle?
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LaEscopeta
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I can't wait for "some response from veteran or serving folks who have first hand experience" with a FN SCAR.
AZgunstudent
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I doubt you will find many people who have much real-world combat experience with more than one of them. That said, I am in Afghanistan and my issue M4 is fine. Not that I have a choice, so it doesn't really matter which gun I would choose. I think most people who have spent time in combat zones are in the same boat: they shoot what they are issued.
I voted for the AK47. I own an AR15 too. I was also in the Special Forces in Nam 68' & 69. I carried an AK then. The reason was if the enemy was in a bunker behind some serious logs, the M16 would not penetrate where as the AK would. It wasn't as accurate but in a spray and pray situation that didn't matter. It had more punching power at the short ranges we typically made contact at and ammo was always available.
Titan6
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I think what LaEscopeta was saying is that the SCAR has not even been fielded yet so the chance of finding someone who has used it in the field is probably on the low side.
Some Special ops units have a choice of several of the above weapons (and some US Federal agencies) But I don't think either will be commenting on this thread. That said the information you are looking for is plentiful. Why not conduct a search?
Edit: (proven wrong yet again)
Some Special ops units have a choice of several of the above weapons (and some US Federal agencies) But I don't think either will be commenting on this thread. That said the information you are looking for is plentiful. Why not conduct a search?
Edit: (proven wrong yet again)
Aaryq
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I voted M16 and M4. I've trained with them and they're pretty nifty guns. There was one period (during training) where I fired quite a few rounds, did an obstacle course, didn't clean my rifle and then went to another combat course. I wanted to see if my dad (a Vietnam vet) was right when he said they're unreliable. 0 malfunctions of any kind. It wasn't that much of a tortue test but the only time I've ever had a problem was when something went wrong at the range and I had to manually cycle each round until the ceacefire, when I turned it in to the armorer and got a different rifle.
General Geoff
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What? No M14?
glockman19
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I voted AK47 but feel the M1A/M-14 has just as good punching power. I have AR's but the 5.56 round just doesn't have the penetration power. the others do.
stiletto raggio
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AUG, or rather, one of the TPD AUG clones. With a 20" barrel, it is shorter than an M4 clone with the stock collapsed and weighs just over six pounds. It takes standard M16/AR-15/STANAG magazines. It mounts accessories easily. Ergonomics are fantastic. It is battle tested and has been adopted by several respected militaries.
There is a reason I will be buying one ASAP. the only thing I might take over it is one of the Israeli Tavors, but I have enver handled one, so I can't say.
There is a reason I will be buying one ASAP. the only thing I might take over it is one of the Israeli Tavors, but I have enver handled one, so I can't say.
Essex County
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I remain fond to the M16.....Esay to do when youhavent tried them all. Essex
BADUNAME13
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Military/Combat Rifle
SIG 551
M16
AK 47
HK G36
AUG
FN SCAR
FN FAL
M4
G3
AK74
My order:
M14
FAL
AK47
G3
SIG
AK74
I havn't shot the G36,
Havn't shot the AUG to know exactly where it stands, I like it but it has some decisive disadvantages (Ever try to fire a bulpup weakhanded?)
Know nothing about the SCAR. (I wait till something is IN production before I worry about it...)
Put the M16/M4 at the bottom of the pile (For me)
M16... I've dogged it enough... do a search if you really want details.
HK91: I like the .308, don't llike the placement of the controls, or the way it handles.
5.45x39/5.56x45: I do not consider them adequate for humans in FMJ configuration.
(I have never shot a human with the 5.45x39... I will SLIGHTLY withhold judgement... but give me a .30 anyday)
I like the way the M14 handles, it is accurate, and packs a punch
The FAL suffers from the sites. DSA has developed a AR style site... which makes up for this...
AK: I used to somewhat like this... then due to ammo costs I have been training with this almost exclusively... the more I shoot it the more I like it...
It takes a different manual of arms (Don't think if it as an M4) but when you know how to handle it... it is FAST.
SIG 551
M16
AK 47
HK G36
AUG
FN SCAR
FN FAL
M4
G3
AK74
My order:
M14
FAL
AK47
G3
SIG
AK74
I havn't shot the G36,
Havn't shot the AUG to know exactly where it stands, I like it but it has some decisive disadvantages (Ever try to fire a bulpup weakhanded?)
Know nothing about the SCAR. (I wait till something is IN production before I worry about it...)
Put the M16/M4 at the bottom of the pile (For me)
M16... I've dogged it enough... do a search if you really want details.
HK91: I like the .308, don't llike the placement of the controls, or the way it handles.
5.45x39/5.56x45: I do not consider them adequate for humans in FMJ configuration.
(I have never shot a human with the 5.45x39... I will SLIGHTLY withhold judgement... but give me a .30 anyday)
I like the way the M14 handles, it is accurate, and packs a punch
The FAL suffers from the sites. DSA has developed a AR style site... which makes up for this...
AK: I used to somewhat like this... then due to ammo costs I have been training with this almost exclusively... the more I shoot it the more I like it...
It takes a different manual of arms (Don't think if it as an M4) but when you know how to handle it... it is FAST.
LoadedDrum
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M16, M4, or FAL are the only rifles I would consider on that list because parts, ammo, and/or mags are hard to come by for others (except perhaps the G3). Plus they have they better egros than most of that list and won't melt on full auto.
Gunsnrovers
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FAL. The free worlds right arm. 
Jordan
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The G3 is coming in LAST!?
I guess the G3 is out of vogue amongst the cool guy crowd. Ergonomics and handling are range hound's concerns. In a "hard" situation one needs better than average accuracy (not an AK) and absolute rugged reliability (HK is tough to beat in this regard). In my opinion and in my experience the G3 deserves a damn site better than last place!
I guess the G3 is out of vogue amongst the cool guy crowd. Ergonomics and handling are range hound's concerns. In a "hard" situation one needs better than average accuracy (not an AK) and absolute rugged reliability (HK is tough to beat in this regard). In my opinion and in my experience the G3 deserves a damn site better than last place!
BADUNAME13
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Umm, no.
It's the concern of someone who has to LIVE with his rifle.
A slow mag change can get you killed.
Jordan
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A G3 has the same mag system as the AK or FAL... two of the leaders of this poll.. A "rock in" insertion and a paddle release.
Gun geeks (like us here on the internet) spend a lot of time debating things like which rifle has an edge in ergonomics. Operators are more concerned with the two factors I mentioned above.
Gun geeks (like us here on the internet) spend a lot of time debating things like which rifle has an edge in ergonomics. Operators are more concerned with the two factors I mentioned above.
BADUNAME13
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No, mags are harder/slower to insert.
It's funny that you know who all the rest of us are/What we do for a living.
It's funny that you know who all the rest of us are/What we do for a living.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Jordan said:
Have you ever been in a "hard" situation and how do you define that?
Nomad said:
Have you ever shot a human in any caliber? If so, feel free to elaborate on your experience.
Both of you seem to be implying some professional knowledge or experience in this area. If you have that experience, then by all means, please share it with us. If for some reason you can't discuss it, then it probably isn't a good idea to make posts on THR hinting at it. Either way, please cut to the chase and state your past experience so others know whether your situation relates to their needs or belay the shadowy hints of secret squirrel stuff.
Sniper4Life
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I was talking to a local store owner yesterday about reloading, he is a vietnam vet with a few tours. We got to talkin about the M16 vs the M14 and the thing that really stuck in my mind was...." The first time I ever shot at somebody, when they were shooting at me,.. the first shot jammed" and so on. He did say the M14 was heavier and you couldnt carry as much ammo, but it had alot more firepower.
trueblue1776
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M-16A2, when DoD finds something better I may change my tune. I like direct gas systems, and I've never jammed because of one.
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