Million Moms not too keen on 1st amendment either

[DonP]

Well guys, I guess the folks at the Million Mom March Meetup board aren't too keen on the 1st amendment either.

This is certainly not meant to start any cross board flame war, just an interesting observation on our control minded counterparts. Besides there are only three people ont heir whole board.

As a preface, I usually lurk there a couple of times a week to keep track of the crap they post over there and have posted there maybe 5 or 6 times, always politely, when I see a blatant lie, like someone quoting Bellisles as if he were gospel.

I never use personal attacks or ad hominems.

I never use objectionable language (Art's Grammaw's rules are transferable I believe).

On top of that, there are only four or five posters on the whole national board! Two or three of us seem to be "gunnies" and one is Sarah herself (Motherbear) I believe.

The Meetup people recently closed down all the local MMM boards due to lack of interest. No meetings, no posters etc. You'd think they would want all the posters they could get. Oh well. Not exactly a great loss in terms of my information gathering.

Here's the e-mail I got today, after a post I made yesterday questioning the real value of the .50 caliber bans proposed:


"We have received several complaints about your recent posts on the Million
Moms Meetup Message Board. After investigating these claims, we've found
that your posts are contrary to the spirit of the Million Moms Meetup,
which is a violation of our Terms of Service (http://www.meetup.com/terms/ ). As such, we ask that you refrain from posting on Million Moms Meetup Message Boards in the future. You might want to
consider posting to a Message Board more suited to your beliefs, such as:

http://nra.meetup.com

Any further posts to Million Moms Message Boards will result in
termination of your account.

Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter."

Sincerely,

Janine Sinder
Customer Service Department
Meetup.com


FYI, I did respond and politely asked; "what had I posted, beyond a differing point of view politely expressed, to annoy the other 2 posters that made them hit the alert button".

I'm not holding my breath for a response.

 

[longeyes]

You "offended" someone's delicate sensibilities. These days that's enough.

You are guilty until proven guilty.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Nothin' new here folks: Leftist boards very carefully preserve the integrity of their echo chamber, and patrol the borders of their bubble lest it pop.

 

[Janitor]

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You agree that your membership profile, Meetup notebook, message board postings, uploaded pictures, or any other portions of the website reserved solely for member use may not be used by you for commercial activity, sales of goods or services, or promotion of a company, good, or service unrelated to the topic or spirit of the Meetup Group.

Well ... here's the bit from their web on usage.

Ok. Did you have a photograph of a .50 when you brought up the value of the ban? They might have used the "obscene or pornographic" bit in their rules to get you there.

Then again, it could be the very last four words in the usage section that got you. The "We will not have any postings that disagree with what we have to say" (well ... they say "spirit of the Meetup Group") rule.

Hasn't anyone figured it out yet? The Antis have zero interest in debate, or discussion. They are running 100% on paranoia that they will have their minds changed. And if they have their minds changed, what on earth will happen to all the children? Huh? Have you even thought of the children yet?

 

[KriegHund]

I'm pleased they included the nra boards.

TOS- terms of service. They dont like what you say, they have every right to ban you.

Thats America, for better or worse. ill agree that their decision was stupid,but no large loss.

ROFLmy waffles! i love it when smileys arent disabled in a post. In the first sentance of their wouted TOS theirs a smiley just hangin out. A sad smiley, no less!

 

[Atticus]

What's the saying about "two wolves and a sheep" .
Shut up and behave ya damn sheep! lol

 

[Technosavant]

In general, many message boards will punt people who are of points of view that vary from those explicitly espoused by the owners of the site. Specifically, I see this happening much more often with boards that espouse liberal points of view.

I have also found that those who are willing to trust others with firearms are willing to observe many other rights as well. Those who are not willing to trust others with firearms generally wish to restrict or abolish other rights as well.

In this way, you can use someone's stance on the 2nd Amendment as a barometer for their stance on all personal freedoms. It is not 100% reliable, but it holds more often than not.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I never use personal attacks or ad hominems.
I never use objectionable language (Art's Grammaw's rules are transferable I believe).

You just don't have what it takes to be a leftist extremist. Sorry. Many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[Nightfall]

One thing I've learned the hard way is that hardcore antis have NO interest in debate. Debate is the exchange and examination of opinions and facts and logic related thereto. When your opinion isn't based on truth, logic, and the reality of the situation, debate is a pointless exercise in frustration. No doubt it's emotionally upsetting and confusing to have their "I feel..." choice challenged with that rational form of input they haven't applied to the question before. We can't argue with "feelings", so trying is an exercise in frustration for us.

To be sure, there are some antis who have used some semblance of logic to come to their "I hate guns" position. But these cases are an easy win for us, because our side of the issue is the irresistible conclusion of an honest analysis. We just have to hammer away with the reasoning behind individual rights/gun ownership/etc. to succeed.

So in the end what do you have? You have one part of the anti-gun movement that is infuriatingly emotional, and you can't argue with "feelings". These people, possibly coupled with a few sinister folk who are simply manipulating the issue for personal gain at the expense of freedom, etc. make up most of the hardcore gun grabbers. They don't want to lose supporters, so expect them to jealously shield those misguided (but redeemable) members of the herd from any of our attempts to reach out and educate. I imagine most ill purposed propaganda effort operate similarly.

 

[jefnvk]

There is no first amendment right on someone else's private property.

 

[trbon8r]

The funniest part is about MMM closing down their boards due to lack of interest.

Seriously, could this have gone any other way? I mean look at their constituents; a bunch of fat, sweaty, housewives that can't even operate an oven much less a computer. The only thing most of them know how to operate is their husbands charge card in the "pleasingly plump" section of Nordstroms.

Most women with any sense or skills either have jobs, or are busy taking care of their children and wouldn't give the loons at MMM the time of day.

 

[petrel800]

jefnvk hit the nail right on the head. The first ammendment protects your right to free speach from government. You have no first ammendment right on someone else's property. Their board, their rules.

Now I'll agree all day long that liberals will never let facts get in the way of a good argument, but you have no "free speech" on the MMM private property.

 

[GunGoBoom]

only 3 of them left - no wonder they're so protective - if your logic prevails, the last 3 dues-payers will switch sides, and they'll be completely outta business. Cryin shame...

 

[Don Gwinn]

Meh.

We don't ban people with opposing views, but we ban anyone we think is being rude about it and anyone we think is trolling. A bulletin board is private property. The First Amendment doesn't apply. I know that probably sounds like a flip answer, but it's not.
It does not apply. Period.

 

[joab]

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