Dark Skies
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True. But most people tend to get their drinking heads on when comfortably sat at home or at a friends when not at a bar. Regardless - the bloke is a knob.
Regardless - the bloke is a knob.
Chief Flynn,
Your recently made comments (linked here http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090421/GPG0101/90421176/1207) regarding how people that LAWFULLY carried firearms in the open would be treated. I want to be clear here, since the LAW allows for this, then they are not breaking the law when they do it. To be detained by the police without probable cause is ILLEGAL. The statements he made were to intimidate and threaten the populace of the city. That is illegal.
Further I would like to remind the “chief” that HE WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE OF MILWAUKEE. WE ARE YOUR BOSS HOW DARE YOU TALK TO US THAT WAY.
If you do not like your job, or feel that you cannot do your job without violating the rights of the people of this city then quit. If you have any thin blue line comments, then quit. Society does not need THE POLICE believe it or not. It is efficient and convenient to have them to be sure, but we are quite capable of sorting things out without jerks like you running off at the mouth.
Regards,
mbt2001
To be detained by the police without probable cause is ILLEGAL. The statements he made were to intimidate and threaten the populace of the city. That is illegal.
Helmke doesn't KNOW the specific laws in play. He's just regurgitating prepared material, designed for maximum media effect.Patronizing twit. I was under the impression it was illegal to enter a bar with a firearm (unless you're a cop) anyhow
In Ohio, all places with by the drink liquor licenses are carry prohibited zones. That means that I can only carry in eating establishments like MacDonalds and Burger King. They need to remove the prohibition on carrying in restaurants when you're not drinking.Depends on what state you're in. In a fair number of states (like Pennsylvania where I live ) it's no problem. In Wisconsin, I'm guessing that it is a problem. Of course, lots of drinking happens in places other than bars, so it's kind of a moot point.
In Ohio, all places with by the drink liquor licenses are carry prohibited zones. That means that I can only carry in eating establishments like MacDonalds and Burger King. They need to remove the prohibition on carrying in restaurants when you're not drinking.
“From an officer’s safety point of view and a public point of view,” he said, “we’re not going to start with the assumption that someone displaying a handgun is doing it lawfully.”
The finding of fact for a lawful detention is reasonable suspicion, not probable cause. The two differ greatly.
Sam1911 said:But that would be putting sense and responsibility into the law, where it clearly doesn't belong...
There is a huge difference between a terry stop and frisk
I guess you are against DUI laws, since that would fit your definition of a legal action made illegal solely because the actor is intoxicated. As for me, I don't want to wait for a drunk driver to get into a car accident and kill innocent people before he is arrested. It's undeniable that intoxication makes almost every action inherently more dangerous and diminishes the intoxicated person's ability to reason.Or, better yet, why not say that drunk or sober, you are responsible for your actions? An act that is legal while sober is not made inherantly illegal because the actor is intoxicated, just as an act that is illegal while drunk is not inherantly LEGAL while sober!
I guess you are against DUI laws, since that would fit your definition of a legal action made illegal solely because the actor is intoxicated.