MISSION: Kroger hypocrites banning CCW in Ohio stores

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In Dayton the Meijer and Krogers are across the street "Alex Bellbrook" from each other. From now till they remove the anti-ccw signs everytime I shop at Meijers I will drop off the recite from Meijer and let management know the reason that I know longer shop at Krogers.
 
upper management names

Here's a list of "insiders." There are several Senior VPs, VPsDirectors, etc. Also, the name of the CEO and also the Chairman of the board are listed.

No contact info is listed, but I thought names would be a good place to start. This is copied. You will see a name, then title along with sale or acquisition.



Insider Roster Get Insider Roster for:




INSIDER & FORM 144 HOLDERS*

Individual/Entity Most Recent Trans. Shares Owned as of Trans. Date
BECKER, DONALD E.
Senior Vice President Acquisition (Non Open Market)
7-Jan-04 42,398
7-Jan-04
BEYER, ROBERT D.
Director Purchase
30-Jun-03 27,812
30-Jun-03
BOEHM, WILLIAM T.
Vice President Sale
6-Apr-04 60,309
6-Apr-04
BRYANT, WARREN F.
Senior Vice President Option Exercise
8-Oct-02 96,994
27-May-02
COVERT, GEOFFREY J.
Senior Vice President Acquisition (Non Open Market)
12-Dec-02 43,743
12-Dec-02
DAVIDSON, RICHARD K.
Director Ownership Statement
19-Sep-02 2,000
19-Sep-02
DILLON, DAVID B.
Chief Executive Officer Acquisition (Non Open Market)
22-Dec-03 926,276
22-Dec-03
DONNELLY, MICHAEL J.
Senior Vice President Disposition (Non Open Market)
31-Mar-03 64,750
31-Mar-03
GRIESHABER, JOSEPH A. JR.
Vice President Ownership Statement
4-Aug-03 14,328
4-Aug-03
HELDMAN, PAUL W.
Senior Vice President Acquisition (Non Open Market)
26-Jun-03 203,350
26-Jun-03
HENDERSON, SCOTT M.
Treasurer Option Exercise
23-Jan-04 9,128
23-Jan-04
HESCHEL, MICHAEL S.
Executive Vice President Acquisition (Non Open Market)
26-Jun-03 145,848
26-Jun-03
JOHNSON, CARVER L.
Officer Disposition (Non Open Market)
5-Dec-03 41,778
5-Dec-03
LAMACCHIA, JOHN T.
Director Option Exercise
19-Mar-04 17,000
19-Mar-04
MACAULAY, BRUCE A.
Officer Disposition (Non Open Market)
5-Dec-03 74,968
5-Dec-03
MARMER, LYNN
Officer Sale
7-Jan-04 23,943
7-Jan-04
MARNETTE, PERRY M.
Officer Ownership Statement
2-Mar-03 53,208
2-Mar-03
MCGEORGE, DON W.
President Disposition (Non Open Market)
5-Mar-04 334,012
5-Mar-04
MCMULLEN, W. RODNEY
Vice Chairman Option Exercise
30-Sep-03 440,425
30-Sep-03
MOORE, CLYDE R.
Director Purchase
11-Dec-02 5,000
11-Dec-02
ORTEGA, KATHERINE D.
Director Option Exercise
5-Dec-03 14,356
5-Dec-03
PENICK, DERRICK A.
Officer Disposition (Non Open Market)
27-May-02 14,813
27-May-02
PERRY, M MARNETTE
Senior Vice President Disposition (Non Open Market)
8-Apr-04 62,317
8-Apr-04
PHILLIPS, SUSAN M.
Director Purchase
22-Sep-03 2,000
22-Sep-03
PICHLER, JOSEPH A.
Chairman Disposition (Non Open Market)
16-Apr-04 1,184,054
16-Apr-04
SCHLOTMAN, J. MICHAEL
Chief Financial Officer Disposition (Non Open Market)
19-Dec-03 82,508
19-Dec-03
SCUTT, PAUL J.
Officer Option Exercise
11-Jul-03 57,394
11-Jul-03
THORNE, JAMES R.
Senior Vice President Disposition (Non Open Market)
20-Dec-02 101,168
20-Dec-02
VAN OFLEN, MARY ELIZABETH
Controller Sale
29-Jan-04 11,264
29-Jan-04
WALL, DELLA
Officer Ownership Statement
9-Apr-04 14,727
9-Apr-04
ZINCKE, ROBERT E.
Executive Vice President Sale
15-Jan-04 96,445
15-Jan-04
 
I just got off the phone with Michelle in Kroger customer service. She had a great voice and was very kind. I explained that I filled up at a Kwik Shop once a week but since they were discriminating against permit holders in Ohio I would be filling up with gas elsewhere.
 
Insiders are at the diety level of a corporation. More than likely they would not be aware of day to day heartburn felt at the operational level.

The people who care about our protest are the ones who get a phone call when sales fall off. I'm not from the retail chain world, but I can tell you there is someone in marketing // operations // customer care who have to answer questions when sales are impacted. . . .not that our protest is noticeable.

Edited to add:

Just found out that Kroger is HQ'd in Cincinnati, OH. I assume that would qualify as southern OH. I wonder if we're looking at someone trying to keep the front yard clean.
 
Micro Center caves......

Much earlier in this thread I posted re: MicroCenter doing the same sort of thing as Kroger has.

Thanks to all who emailed, it seems we had the desired effect.

Note the lame comment of the grunt that forwarded to his boss.

Here is the text of the reply(edited):

Dear Unobtainium

Thank you for your input regarding our "No Firearms" signs.

Effective this morning, May 7th, we have decided to remove those signs.
We hope we can count on your continued patronage and support.

Thank again,
Albert Rogers
Micro Electronics, Inc.
Customer Relations
614-850-3036

-----Original Message-----
From: Micro Center Online Customer Service
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:11 PM
To: relations customer cindy
Subject: Fw: Taking our business elsewhere!



i don't know why the word apocalypse keeps popping into my mind...
thanks
gary x2630

----- Original Message -----
From: **** ME ******
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Taking our business elsewhere!


> I was shocked to learn that MicroCenter has chosen to post "Please
rob
> our customers" signs in Ohio locations. I have been purchasing from
> you since the day you opened your doors for a total of over $30k. As
> the decisionmaker for my companies IT purchases, I will be purchasing
> elsewhere and instruct our accounting department to close our
account.

> There are safer places to shop. You may want to reconsider your
> decision as Home Depot, Frisch's Restaurants, Boston Market and
others

> have done. Please explain to me what sort of strange bigotry it is
> for your company to not post these signs in your stores in other
> States that allow concealed carry? What do you have against your
Ohio

> customers? Implying that our safety is not worth as much as someone
> in Texas or Georgia is not good customer relations. I am informing
> the manager of our branch location in Houston to longer patronize
your

> store there.


We do make a difference! Thanks again for your support.
 
I'd give the "grunt" a call and ask him what he meant by his comments. And those idiots need not be laszy and send a fresh e-mail, instead of having forwarded comments included in e-mails.
 
Sportcat, I don't think you should look for a job in customer relations. :D When you get what you want from somebody, the primary rule thereafter is, "Be gracious in victory." This is particularly true in any firearms issue.

The "grunt" most likely forwarded the email to show exactly what was the complaint. Even a grunt can have a sense of humor in his use of words...

:), Art
 
Reply from Kroger to my second e-mail:



Thank you for contacting The Kroger Co. Kroger respects the right of
citizens to carry concealed handguns as
permitted under a new Ohio law. The law also allows private businesses to
prohibit employees and customers from
carrying handguns on to their premises. Kroger has never allowed our
employees to carry firearms or deadly
weapons into our stores, offices or workplace. Although we are not required
by law to post signs in most Ohio
stores, we decided to do so because of questions from our customers and
employees.




Sincerely,



Cassie Bargo
Consumer Affairs
 
Art, what if the subject matter had been a bit different and the grunt had been thinking of the word "watermelon" instead?

It seems like gun owners are the last social class against whom it's accepted to be bigoted.
 
Here's my response from Kroger. Seems to be a pretty standard reply.

Dear Mr. Mullins:

Thank you for contacting The Kroger Co. regarding our recent decision to
post signs in some of our Ohio stores
asking our customers not to carry concealed weapons while in the store.
While the Ohio Conceal and Carry Law
does give individuals the right to carry a concealed weapon, it also gives
businesses the right to specify whether or
not they will allow customers to carry concealed weapons on their property.

We understand your stance as a shopper and respect your right to take it.
However, our obligation to our valued
customers is to not only provide them with quality products and services,
but also a safe place to shop. We have
noted your feedback and we value it. We appreciate your understanding in
this matter.

Please continue to contact us any time you have a question or comment.

Sincerely,



Cassie Bargo
Consumer Affairs

Reference: 1776166


"a safe place to shop." I think a bunch of CCW's in a store does nothing but enhance my level of safety, but I'm preaching to the choir.
 
My reply to MicroCenter...

Thank you for considering my view. I am glad you have decided take down
the signage. My initial satisfaction with your response, however,
quickly changed after I scrolled down the message.

With all due respect, I could have done without the bigoted comment by
"gary" (see below). I will repeat the same point that I was _trying_
to make in my original email to you. Has the "apocalypse" started in
TX, GA or any of the other states that have concealed carry? I guess
we responsible, law abiding, adults of Ohio are more prone to
"apocalyptic" behavior in your view than the citizens of the other
states. Is a legally licensed CCW permit holder going to be more
"apocalyptic" than an armed criminal bent on robbing your store, your
customers or both?

It is very hard to be a MicroCenter customer.



>
> Dear Mr.
>
> Thank you for your input regarding our "No Firearms" signs.
>
> Effective this morning, May 7th, we have decided to remove those signs.
> We hope we can count on your continued patronage and support.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Micro Center Online Customer Service
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:11 PM
> To: relations customer cindy
> Subject: Fw: Taking our business elsewhere!
>
> i don't know why the word apocalypse keeps popping into my mind...
> thanks
> gary x2630
>
 
Kroger's response to me;
Dear Mr. McWold
Thank you for contacting The Kroger Co. regarding our recent decision to
post signs in some of our Ohio stores asking our customers not to carry
concealed weapons while in the store. While the Ohio Conceal and Carry Law
does give individuals the right to carry a concealed weapon, it also gives
businesses the right to specify whether or not they will allow customers to
carry concealed weapons on their property.

We understand your stance as a shopper and respect your right to take it.
However, our obligation to our valued customers is to not only provide them
with quality products and services, but also a safe place to shop. We have
noted your feedback and we value it. We appreciate your understanding in
this matter.

Please continue to contact us any time you have a question or comment.

Sincerely,
Sherri Johnson-Snyder
Kroger Consumer Affairs

My response to Ms. Johnson-Snider:fire:

However, our obligation to our valued customers is to not only provide them
with quality products and services, but also a safe place to shop. [Unquote]

The armed law abiding citizens are not a threat to your shoppers safety. Your posting of that sign however is an invitation to scofflaws who now know there will be no resistance offered if they choose to rob your store. Your argument is specious. I will not shop in any store posting such a sign for my own safety.

Richard McWold
 
Kroger has comment cards at cust service. They are postage paid. At least they have to pay postage. I am going to tell everybody at the blackcreek IDPA match tommrow. Patrick
 
Kroger has it in their thick heads that the posting of these signs is enough to keep out guns of all kinds.I doubt that criminals intent on robbing the place will understand.:banghead:
 
Tropical Z - you said "Kroger has it in their thick heads that the posting of these signs is enough to keep out guns of all kinds..."

What makes you say this? Have you gotten some communication from them which makes you think so?

I don't know what their motivation is at this point - if you have some source which can be cited, it would be a help to all of us who are working to get the situation changed, in order to directly respond to their "concerns".


BB62
 
Email sent:
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It has recently been brought to my attention that Kroger has prohibited trained, licensed concealed weapons bearers from shopping at Ohio stores while carrying their concealed sidearms. This policy will dramatically REDUCE customer safety, and should therefore be abolished. Only those who are legally armed will ever obey this rule; those bent on committing crimes couldn't care less about your silly policy. In effect, you have told would-be criminals that Kroger customers are guaranteed to be unarmed, and thus easy prey.

To avoid compromising my own safety, therefore, I have decided not to be a Kroger customer. Because of my concern for my loved ones' and friends' safety, I have also advised them to take their business elsewhere.

You have made a very bad business decision, a bad customer relations decision, and a bad workplace safety decision. Only criminals will benefit from your policy. Please reconsider.

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mvpel, re "watermelon", I'd say you're stretching the point just a bit. :)

As for "It seems like gun owners are the last social class against whom it's accepted to be bigoted.": No, not really. That's been going on since before it was obligatory to be bigoted against straight white males.

I started being subjected to stupid mouth music about my deer hunting, back some thirty years ago. The stupidity increased during my years in IPSC competition, if I spoke of my enjoyment therein.

Bigotry and racism has been a major part of gun control from Jim Crow days to the present. It's just that the Grabbers vary their targets with the mood of the moment.

Art
 
Towne & Country Krogers

FWIW, I was in there on Friday, and I didn't see a sign posted-and Kettering isn't exactly a bastion of American liberties.
 
I worked at Kroger and a Kroger owned subsidiary long enough to know how they think.They dont!!!
Kroger is an awful company that cares about nothing but the bottom line.Employees are disposable.
 
I don't think it's unusual for a business to be mostly interested in their bottom line.

Our job is to appeal, not to their weak sense of logic, nor to any possible respect for legal, constitutional or natural rights, nor to their alleged concern for their customers' safety.

We must appeal to their bottom line.

Flood their phones: 800-576-4377
Flood their email boxes: http://www.kroger.com/customercomments.htm

(It doesn't matter that you'll get the same form letter; they ARE counting the pro-gun responses and will eventually conclude that we are an economic force to be reckoned with.)

If you live in the area, grab a comment card. Grab a dozen or a hundred -- the postage is on them!

I love the idea about showing them your receipt from the competition. Maybe we could start a mail-in campaign?

Call. Write. Fax. Email. Call again.

They will get it, eventually. Not because they respect us. Not because they care about our safety. Just because it makes good economic sense.

To be a political force, we must be an economic force.

Vote with your dollars, and make sure they know you're doing it.
 
Matt,
You are right of course, the issue has to be an economic one for Krogers to truly reconsider.

Let me make this offer...how about everyone saves all of their grocery receipts (at non-Krogers) and mail them to me in one month's time. I'll total them up and mail them en-masse to Krogers corporate headquarters to give them an example of the buying power that is now looking for other places to shop. For this to be effective, we need EVERYBODY'S help, but the impact of that one envelope (or box) full of receipts to show how much money they might be losing in just one month's time just might get some attention.

Mark
 
Here is the address for the Kroger corporate headquarters and the people who are in charge:

Kroger Company
1014 Vine Street, Ste 1000
Cincinnati, OH 45202
513-762-4000

David B. Dillon CEO

Joseph A. Pichler Chairman of the Board

Michael Sheschel Executive Vice President

W R McMullen Executive Vice President


These are the ones you need to contact in writing. I have had good success writing to the head dog when I haven't been pleased with the way I've been treated by a company. Sometimes policy is made without the knowledge of the big dog.

I couldn't get an e-mail address for the corporate level, just the company's website address:

www.kroger.com

It gives the customer service address if you want to contact them and an 800 number that is probably for customer service also. The corporate numbe I posted will get you to the main operator.
 
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