Missouri bullets

[cheff]

First Kudos to our friends at Missouri bullets. Excellent customer service and supper fast shipping.

I ordered 255grn cowboy #9 cast with #18 alloy, and the 300grn silhouette also in #18.

The Lyman manual shows good data for a comparable SWC for the 255grn lead bullet. I am going to start with the lightest load and work from there.

Problem is I dont have data to compare for a 300grn lead. Just a 300grn Speer gold dot in Lyman manual or 300grn xtp/mag from Hornady for reference. Again I am going to start with min loads using this data and work from there.

Any comments?

This is for 460S&W...

 

[cheff]

I loaded the 300grn silhouette with 26grn of AA5744. It smoked like a black powder gun.

I also loaded 255grn SWC with 32grn of Ramshot enforcer. Also a smoker but not as bad as the 300grn.

What causes all the smoke compared to the XTP bullets?

Any recomendations for loading this lead rounds so they dont make so much smoke?

Thanks all

 

[MissouriBullet]

cheff, FWIW, here's some load data from a customer/reviewer:

http://sargesrollcall.blogspot.com/2009/05/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html#links

 

[cheff]

Thanks for the link. But I am trying to load this on the .460 case.

I been doing searches, but cant come up with one that explains the smoke.

 

[dwave]

Hey, smoke is probably from the bullet lube.

 

[cheff]

Yea I found some info on this, now I need to find a solution or just shoot lead out doors. Its to much smoke for the indoor range.

 

[MissouriBullet]

Yea I found some info on this, now I need to find a solution or just shoot lead out doors. Its to much smoke for the indoor range.

This is baffling tome, as we have many, many IPSC/USPSA customers who shoot indoor courses without a problem. They have to have good visibility to see their rather obscure targets and they shoot many many rounds in a given stage.

We use Thompson's Blue Angel lube on all of our bullets, which isn't known to be smoky. So this is baffling!

 

[cheff]

I think its the the .460 loads I am testing. I am sure they are great in the 45colt. I am going to increase the powder to see if I can get rid of the smoke.

The 255grn with Ramshot Enforcer did not produce as much smoke as the light loads I tried with the 300grn AA5744. I will play with the amount of powder with both and see if I can get a load that does not smoke to much.

If you guys feel like playing with it and let me know I wont mind

 

[rfwobbly]

I'm not familiar with the powders you're discussing, but "fast" powders are hotter burning powders. If these powders are in the very "fast" range for your load, it may simply be the aft end of the bullet being vaporized.

Hot loads with Titegroup can do this to 9mm lead bullets.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[flipajig]

bullet lube...

 

[MissouriBullet]

bullet lube...

Our lube works great, without smoking, at 1400-1500 fps in various .45-70's as well as with .40's, 10mm's, 9mm, and .45's in indoor IDPA/USPSA competition.

I don't think it's the lube.

 

[bhawkeye]

I've gone through many thousand of Missouri Bullet Co's 200gr RNFP (45 ACP) with hot loads of Universal & International with NO noticeable smoke (except for where they hit ). You may be getting significantly incomplete powder burning, which I've noticed causes smoke & very dirty barrel/mag.

 

[cheff]

I agree I dont think its the lube. I think I am loading them to light. Thats why I think the 255grn #9 with a heavier charge of Enforcer smoked less then the light charge on the 300grn.

I will keep testing and let you all know what I come up with. I got lots of Missouri bullets to test with

 

[slush]

One more here that agrees, not the lube. I have shot a few Missouri Bullets in USPSA and no noticeable smoke.

 

[SlvrMrk716]

Okay folks, bear with me as I'm new to loading the .460 S&W Magnum ... That said, I just finished shooting Missouri Bullet Company's 300-grain TCFP ("Silhouette") with 34.0 grains of W296.

I know some have not been pleased with the outcome of using W296 (as opposed to Lil' Gun and some of the others with more "punch"), but I had great luck with it - the loads were very accurate and VERY consistent (I'm shooting the 460XVR 8-3/8") with minimal smoke. Any fliers were merely because I flinched.

Also, the Hornady 300-grain XTP MAG on top of 42.0 grains of W296 is ... fun ... to say the least.

P.S. Brad @ Mo. Bullet Co., thanks for your help - I'm certainly enjoying your bullets, great product!

..::josh::..

 

[jfdavis58]

Heavy smoke with cast bullets is a combination of smoky powder and bullet lube. There may also be some burning of gun lubricant on the bore if starting with a clean gun. It's not burning lead-unless you're powering the cartridge with uranium or plutonium. There may also be some powder/lube/lube interactions/reactions. If you experience leading problems, some of the smoke IS lead particulates.

Smoke may be exacerbated (made worse) by shooting some of Missouri's hardness optimized bullets at the wrong velocity.

In any case the level of smoke should stabilize as more and more rounds are fired--it's actually my experience that the smoke seems to decrease as the level of bore grunge reaches a steady state (after the first 40-50 rounds).

External factors also come into play: it will seem more smoky if it blows directly toward your face (or if you shoot with your mouth open).

I've run some of the BHN 15s up to 1350fps-fun but very dirty. I've shot even more of the BHN 18s from 500 to 1600fps with neither leading nor smoke problems (after the first 40-50 rounds)----38/357 and 45acp----these are what I order.


Edit: How do I know the lube is contributing something to the smoke? Drop a couple lubed bullets into an home sized and active lead furnace--take a whiff.