Model/Modelo 1927

[USMCDK]

Okay another poll.

Why?: Because I would like to determine whether or not you guys feel that the 1927 is concidered a 1911.

I am going to make another/revised poll as to put out more choices for the 1911. One of the members was asking why no Argentine Model 1927 for the choices.

A: I didn't even know that weapon even exsisted and...

B: I'm not even sure that it could be called/considered a 1911?

I mean c'mon it's model name is the 1927, but however, I will be democratic about it and see what you guys say...

BTW this poll is only going to last (3) days. After that I will use the majority answer to make my decision as to whether or not to have said model added into my "1911 (poll ADDITION)"

Thanks Guys and HERE WE GO!!!!

USMCDK

 

[Browning]

Yes, all 1911 parts fit in the 1927 and they recieved permission from Colt to build them using their patent.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, shoots like a duck and if every part of a duck fits in the duck in question then to me it's a duck.

http://www.sightm1911.com/1911%20History.htm

It looks like one to me.


Argentine Sistema 1925 .45ACP

Colt 1911A1 .45ACP

 

[Sistema1927]

Built under license to Colt using equipment obtained from Colt according to pattern furnished by Colt. All Colt parts interchange.

If a Kimber/Springfield/Baer/(whatever) is considered to be a 1911, then certainly something with a lineage like the Sistema 1927 has to be.

 

[XavierBreath]

Technically, it's a 1911A1, but in my book, a 1911A1 is a 1911 unless you only consider 1911s to be 1911s. Make sense?

Here's a pic of my two. The top one is one of my carry guns.

 

[USMCDK]

so far the numbers say yes 100% wow I didn't know that those were considered 1911/1911A1's even though they are clearly marked 1927. Heck there's a model out there called the 1998A1 and it too looks exactly like a 1911. I am in trouble now.

 

[Old Fuff]

The Sistema 1927 was built under license from Colt, according to blueprint of the late 1930's. It's parts equaled or exceeded those used in Colt's, and they're were no cost-cutting substitute plastic (excluding grips), alloy or MIM parts in it. No castings of any kind either.

To be blunt, it is more of a true 1911 pistol and anything being made today - including Colt's current production.

 

[1911Tuner]

To be blunt, it is more of a true 1911 pistol and anything being made today - including Colt's current production.

I'll second that.

The Sistema Modelo 1927 is a 1911A1 clone...and it's a true clone...not a lookalike/wannabe.

 

[Mad Magyar]

Nuf said:

 

[skinewmexico]

So which skeletonized trigger fits a Sistema? My gunsmith says he couldn't get one to work.

 

[Old Fuff]

The problem isn't the gun, the triggers are often not made to print where the gun is. Also be sure the disconector hasn't been altered. Look to Brownells catalog for quality triggers (www.brownells.com)

 

[XavierBreath]

So which skeletonized trigger fits a Sistema? My gunsmith says he couldn't get one to work.

Many aftermarket parts, including triggers, do not just "drop in" on a 1911. They are often made slightly oversized so they can be fitted to a closer tolerance than was originally designed. Any aftermarket 1911 trigger for a single stack 1911 will fit a Sistema, if the person doing the job knows what he is doing.

Fitting a different 1911 trigger is easy. If your gunsmith says he couldn't get one to work, he is either trying to sell you a Kimber, or he shouldn't be allowed to learn how to install a trigger on your pistol.

 

[lechiffre]

all it's missing is the horsie

 

[1911Tuner]

It's a bad trigger. I once had a King's trigger...brand new...that I couldn't get to work in a NRM Colt, despite my best efforts. I finally threw in the towel, and ordered another identical trigger...and got it whipped in short order.

Pretty rare, but it does happen.

 

[skinewmexico]

Well, I was surprised he said he couldn't get it to work. He was an armorer for 20 years, and spent some time working at Clark's. Maybe I'll try another one.

 

[Sistema1927]

Who voted no? And why?

Come on, fess up now.

 

[USMCDK]

I could tell you who it was, or you can click on the poll results and see for yourself. However he didn't post a thing he just voted and went on his marry way.

 

[nicholst55]

Lemme see - walks like a 1911, talks like a 1911; takes 1911 mags, parts, leather and accessories. Yup, I'd say it's a 1911.

 

[USMCDK]

I would havfe to agree nicholst55

+1 for you

 

[az_imuth]

Looks like a 1911 (A1) to me...

 

[1911Tuner]

The Sistema is every bit a 1911A1 as the ones built by Remington Rand, Union Switch and Signal, and Ithaca...and the later ones had fully hardened slides.

Singers are the Holy Grail.

 

[Moonclip]

probably the no voters are grumpy old men who only believe a 1911 comes from Hartford Or they confused the op's question with the Ballester Molina.

 

[USMCDK]

Now the question is how does it shoot???

 

[USMCDK]

I just noticed something...

The two that voted NO don't have the Intestinal Fortitude (how's that for big words) to post anything in arguement, to back up their vote. FUNNY!!!??? :banghead:

 

[1911Tuner]

Now the question is how does it shoot???

Can't say about the one in question, but here's the results of spendin' about an hour tightening and refitting the slide on a pretty well-worn Argentine, along with a used Springfield takeoff barrel that slopped in and worked. This...even with the stock loosey-goosey bushing. We've since upgraded to a better bushing, but don't have the report yet. I expect that it'll get better. No functional issues whatsoever, by the way.

So...they are capable with just a little tweakin'.

http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=49302

 

[Riss]

Where does the Star Modelo Super fall into play?

It looks very similar to the Colt and copies but I also seems some little differences. Other threads seem to indicate that the Star Modelo Super is another beast indeed from the 1911.