Modern pistol for 7.62X25 Needed

[Tezcatlipoca]

357 SIG can hit that speed with a 125gr load.


Or 38 super

Neither are hard to find. 357SIG can be found at walmart or on the web cheap.

I'm really not seeing anyone chambering a gun in the caliber without a ton of money for engineering and production.


Best hope is a Glock 20 barrel conversion or a revolver chamber and barrel change.

Then you have corrosive non reloadable milsurp ammo in a modern gun. Blech.

 

[max popenker]

Any of you guys ever wonder why the Soviets chose a larger bullet moving at a slower velocity when they replaced the 7.62 Tokarev

Here's my take on this account:
The Red Army fought the Great Patriotic War of 1941-45 with both the semi-automatic Tokarev TT pistols and the obsolete Nagant M1895 revolvers. Despite the fact that more potent pistols were designed just before and during the war, the TT remained the mainstream weapon. Wartime experience, which included a close (and sometimes very personal) familiarity with German pistols, resulted in a major change of thinking about the role and necessary features of a military pistol for the Soviet army. Another factor that played a major role in the development of new requirements for the next military pistol, was the realistic prospect of a Third World War, with massive nuclear bombing and other such large-scale actions; as a result, pistols played a very minor role in both strategic and tactical doctrines of the Soviet Army. Furthermore, Tokarev pistols, despite being relatively simple and powerful, showed significant deficiencies, some of them quite serious, such as the lack of positive safety, so almost immediately after the war the GAU (Glavnoye Artillerijskoe Upravlenie – General Artillery Department of General Staff) issued a new set of requirements for a military and police pistol.
These requirements asked for a compact, double action pistol of the “Walther PP type”. New pistols were to be submitted in three calibres – 7.65x17SR Browning (proposed police round), 9x17 Browning, and a new 9x18. The last of these had been initially developed just prior to the war and refined after the war by the designer Syomin. Apparently, this round was inspired by the German 9x18 Ultra, which was designed in the mid-1930s to provide “acceptable maximum power” in simple, pocket-sized blowback pistols. The key reason for the increase in calibre when compared with the West 9mm rounds is unknown (the 9x18 Soviet has bullet diameter of 9.2mm, while most Western 9mm rounds have a bullet diameter of 9.02mm). However, with the benefit of hindsight, we can assume that the reasons for a calibre increase were probably the same as for the calibre of Soviet 82mm mortars, which were able to load and fire the slightly smaller German 8.1cm mortar bombs, but not vice versa. Also, while the Soviet Army was ahead of many others in the request for a double action pistol, it regressed somewhat in adopting an only marginally powerful round in a weapon that in essence was a pocket-type pistol. At the same period of time, many other armies, looking for an increase in power, starting to change their “weak” 7.65x17 Browning, 9x17 Browning or 7.65x20 Longue pistols to the more potent 9x19 Luger/Parabellum/NATO weapons. The explanation for this fact, however, is rather simple – while most Western countries relied on full-power rifles (bolt action or semi-automatic) and a sub-machine guns as a primary individual armament for the infantry, the new Soviet concept had no place for sub-machine guns, as the only primary arm of the infantry was the newly developed assault rifle. Most Western pistols were required to fire 9mm NATO ammunition just to have commonality in ammunition with the standard issue sub-machine guns; Soviet designers had no such requirements, and by the late forties 9x18 looked as if it was good enough for a military pistol.

 

[P5 Guy]

I'd like to see a Browning Lever Rifle in 7.62x25. The round in the pistol CZ52 are too big a grip for me.

 

[HorseSoldier]

In fairness I have had positive responses about the caliber, just not about the practicality of redesigning for it or the profit potential.

If the round is too long, I wonder if it would not be possible to make a more modern version that does the same thing -- neck down 40S&W 357Sig style, or something similar. Maybe neck down 38 Super or 9x23 and you could run it through a standard frame 1911 with some modest modification.

 

[tinygnat219]

I have heard war stories from Vietnam Vets about encountering VC with 1911s that have been modified to fire 7.62 Tokarev. I would love to see one of these, and what was done to them.

 

[roscoe]

We just need to start importing those newly manufactures Serbian Tokarev clones.

 

[PercyShelley]

I think a scaled down SKS in this caliber would be a fun gun.

Other than that, it would be one of the first on my list if the immediate threats to my life and property were wrapped in body armor.

 

[000Buck]

Does anyone know what the brightest and loudest 7.62x25 surplus is? I was out shooting some new aimsurplus Romanian surplus today and it was a little disappointing. I had some a while ago that had a huge fireball. I had some other stuff today that I think was Bulgarian and it flashed and boomed a little more than the Romanian, but nothing like the stuff I had before. Maybe the stuff I had before was that dangerous subgun stuff. It wasnt on stripper clips though.

Also, have there been Romanian and Polish Toks imported lately? I keep seeing people talking about Romanian Toks for sale lately, but mine says Made in Poland and is new. I got it from Eagle Arms who had quite a few of them but is sold out now. From pictures, they both have the same "after thought" safeties.

Anyone know anyone that still has some new Toks? For under $300 I would like to get another.

Thanks

 

[zymurgy]

7.62 & Toks

We up in Canada have quite a bit of (hot, but safe) Czech milsurp corrosive 7.62x25 available in crates. Also a plethora of Chinese Tokarevs (no useless add-on safety!) for about C$175.

 

[tinygnat219]

Nice availability. I'd LOVE to see some of that Czech surplus down this way, alas, I cannot find any.