Moisin Nagant for $99?

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So the gun show this weekend has Russian Moisin Nagants 7.62 X 54 for $99. I have wanted to get an old mil surp for my collection, as a very occaisional shooter.

Any advice from those with experience? I'm sure I could get something a lot better for more $$$, but I'm new to rifles and don't want to spend a lot, however I don't want something that's going to blow up, either.

Ammo seems cheap, too, 105 rounds for $13.00.

Any advice greatly appreciated, I can still go get one tomorrow!
 
Mosin-Nagants are generally good. However, what model? M44? M91/30? I must say, however, if you do get one, get a slip-on rubber recoil pad. Your shoulder will thank you profusely.
 
That is about the going rate.
I have several of them.
Sounds like it is just what you are looking for.
 
I bought my Mosin for $95 and it turned out to be a Finnish copy made by Sako. I put a Leupold extended eye relief scope on it and it makes a great sniper rifle. Unless you are into pain, like me I guess, put a rubber recoil pad on it. I can fire mine about 40 rounds and that steel butplate starts to wear on you real fast after that.
I love mine and wouldn't trade it for any other sniper rifle.:D (Well, I'd trade it for a Barrett but who wouldn't?!)
 
I got my matching numbers romanian m44 for a little over 100. considering condition of stock and everything....i feel i got a good deal. some will say you can get them cheaper online other places....but i dont like ordering. it makes me think about my purchase too long ;). but depending on area, for a very fine specimine you should pay around 90-130 for one. here in nashville nice clean ones are hard to find and are 100-130. gun shows with nasty stocks and loose bolts are like 89.

they kick like a mule :D. But in a good way. it really isnt all that bad tho. if you shoot any magnum load rifle its alot less of a kick pretty much. on that cheap ammo...remember treat it as all corosive. gota wash that barrel out asap. I shoot only wolf out of mine and have no problems. heck go a trip or two without cleaning sometimes since i only put about 20 though it per trip. and thats usualy enough. 4 mags full and you are usualy done for the day.

my m44 on my first shot with it....landed centermass on a man silouette at 100 yards, only 2-3 inches to the left and below. darn good for my bad eyes, iron sites, and doing it off hand standing. so its usualy more accurate than I am.

and the bayonette is great for stoping those melons trying to rebel at the range
 
Thanks all. Just did some surfing, given that the bayonet seems to be permanently attached, I'm pretty sure its a M44 (correct me if I'm wrong). And that's a carbine, correct? Ouch for the shoulder, but I won't be shooting it everyday!

I saw generally good things about it. Ammo is corrosive, so always clean after shooting (no problem, I'm like that with all my guns).

Searched on this forum too, saw nothing too bad.

Bowlcut- yah, actually SEEING it right there is a big plus. Plus no shipping!

Does it need stripper clips too? I saw 10 for $12 at one site...not a big deal, I'd still get it.

Man, my first battle rifle! Very excited!
 
I've only got experiance with the M44 but I would say go for it. It's a nice little rifle(the M44 is pretty hany anyways) although the recoil is a pain.(This coming fro a 12 gauge lover :) ) I suggest getting a pad. It's also monsterously LOUD. And it shoots out a satifying ball of flame.

7.62X54R is a fairly cheap round(Wolf sells a box of twenty for around five to seven bucks). The action is pretty smooth, though I don't like the way it wiggles when you pull it out of battery.
 
I'd do it.

I stumbled upon http://www.surplusrifle.com around Feb. of this year and decided I'd like to buy a WWII mil surp rifle... and after reading more about the m44 I decided I'd get one of them. They're cheap, fairly accurate, and have a neat history. That bayonet, while practically useless, was still neat to have.

I managed to catch the next gun show and without even looking found somebody selling never issued m44's for $135. Yeah, I could have probably gotten it cheaper but it was right there in front of me... still wrapped in wax paper!

Bought it, cleaned it for like 8 or 10 hours over the next couple of days and got it out to the range finally.

Freaking fun gun. Way way fun. I love taking that sucker out. I do need to stock up on more ammo for it though.

If it's in good shape I'd grab one for $99. Heck I've been tempted to pick up the ratty ones that are going for 45-50 a pop at gun shows just to get a collection of them going. Replace the stocks on the ones without any rust on them and maybe try and make a decent scoped deer rifle out of it.

I'd definately like to get a rubber pad for the stock though. It kicks like hell and that steel plate on the back doesn't help things any. The 2nd time I took it out I brought an extra t-shirt, folded it up, and used that for protection. The short lever on the gun, I've read, was because the Soviets taught their men to cycle the bolt with their left hands reaching over as it would keep their sights closer to on-target. I call bull"dung". If you had to shoot 100rnd though that SOB in combat without any real padding you cycle it with your left hand because your right one HURTS TOO DAMN MUCH TO MOVE!:what:
 
You'll probably find a bettter deal on M-N stripper clips on E-Bay or gunbroker.com or some such place. I bought a pack of 20 for 13 dollars, and that includes shipping. :) The stripper clips take some getting used to, and when I first recieved mine they held the ammunition too tight. You just need to sort of break them in before they start to work well. I can use them very effectively now and they are well worth buying.

It does wiggle around a whole lot when it isn't in battery, but once you put it in battery the thing is solid. I don't think the recoil is that bad, either; my shotgun recoils worse.
 
RE: Stripper clips. Not sure if they had any for this gun, Greyhound, but I picked up 20 SKS stripper clips for $9 at the show this weekend.
 
If you had to shoot 100rnd though that SOB in combat without any real padding...
Obviously you have never been in that part of the world during the winter. I was in the then USSR with my high school choir in early April of 1989 and in April it was darned cold. I didn't have a thermometer on me so it is only a guess, but I was sure it was colder there in early April than it gets here in MD in the dead of winter:what: . I doubt very much that the recoil bothered Soviet troops most of the year because they would have been wearing plenty of padding.


Oh, as for the question, that seems typical now days for a decent Nagant. I don't know if he still has any, but look for Shooters Discount. A little while back he had some LNIB condition full sized Nagants (I'm not up on the nominclature, would that be a 91/30 or 91/31 or something like that) with a bayonette (these models have separate bayonettes), sling and ammo pouches for not much over $100 (maybe $120 if my memory serves). If he doesn't have those left over then $99 for an M44 should be fine.

Hopefully I'll be there tomorrow. I don't really plan to get a Nagant, looking more for a HD gun (.223 carbine, M1 Carbine, shotgun), new bolt gun (Howa or CZ, preferably in 6.5x55) or more western Mil-Surp (M1 Carbine or Swedish Mauser). However, there is always the chance that I'll finally join the cult, er, brotherhood of Nagant owners this weekend.
 
I assume this thing might be packed in cosmoline. Any tips for getting this stuff or cleaning in general? Thanks again....

Oh yeah and are the stripper clips totally necessary, or just make loading easier?
 
Some advice on Mosins:

1) Make sure you get good stripper clips. The best are the ones with a small triangle with an arrow in it (Russian) stamped on them. Stay away from the brass ones and the ones Tapco sells. Stripper clips are not necessary at all, but with good ones you can load pretty quick.

2) The best Mosins made are the Finnish ones. Model 39s are still common and it is not to hard to find M91s and M91/30s. These rifles are very accurate and have loads of history in them.

3) The Mosin action is very strong - I shoot actions made in the 1890's and they hold up very well.

4) Yes these rifles have quite a kick but once you learn how to fire them, you will have no problems. Most people who shoot from a bench rest do not properly have the rifle butt up against their shoulder. Ouch!

5) The ammo is very cheap (I never pay over 10cents per round). It is also highly corrosive so clean after each shooting session.

6) If you buy one, the bug will hit. The only way to stop buying is to not buy the first one.
 
To each their own.

I don't like to use the stripper clips. But then again, I don't have hordes of Nazi's overwhelming my position, either.

:evil: Stinger
 
I've got a bunch of stripper clips, they stay in a drawer somewhere. Just as easy to load by hand. Cosmoline can be a real PIA. I think everyone has a different solution, but all of them take time and patience. This time of year I use oven cleaner for the stuff on the surface of the wood, then I have a black and decker heat gun for the decades of stuff soaked into the wood. I don't recommend this method if you're in a hurrry. The heat gun is very thorough, but if you try to use it like a blow torch you will be replacing that stock. The metal bits I take to the car wash and use the engine degreaser on. Works like a charm, but get some funny looks. I try to buy all of my peices in the summer, much easier to clean then. I just wrap the whole thing in black plastic and leave it in the sun. Every couple of hours I go out, unwrap it and wipe it down with simple green, then wrap it back up again. I've heard wrapping it up with some kitty litter works pretty good too, but I haven't tried it.
 
Did you get it?

I was just at the gun show and I didn't see anyone with M44s for less than $120. However, Shooters Discount was selling the M91/30s I was talking about for $99. He had the bayonetes on the muzzle but facing down so you might have seen these, assumed the bayonete was attached (since with many Nagants they are) and it sounded like you were talking M44. If these were the rifles you were looking at, I hope you picked one up. They were in very good, unissued (or nearly unissued) condition and the guy who owns the shop is probably the best guy in the business in this area. I am kind of wishing I picked one up myself (even though I don't shoot rifle much). I might just go to his shop in Arbutus later this week (though the $99 is his gunshow price, in the shop they are a bit more, something like $110 or $120).
 
If the gun is an arsenal refurb then it's an ok price. If it's not, it's a bit high, at least for SE PA.

The Mosin-Nagant won't win any points for looks or having a smooth action, but they are heck for stout, utterly reliable, and generally accurate with good ammo. I suggest using light ball since it'll kick less than the heavy stuff (147 grain vs. 180 grain). Milsurp light ball has a silver tip.

Treat any milsurp 7.62x54R ammo as corrosive, btw.
 
Did you get it

Chaim-

No, I actually headed out to buy it, and took a quick peek at the list of things I have to do to put the old homestead on the market and had a pang of guilt. Will be getting engaged soon and anyone who has traditional values (no living together, 'but to each their own') can appreciate selling 2 houses and buying one, can understand. Make our townhouse(s) lovely,sell em, buy a big one (together) out in the sticks.

Not much room for new toys as I tend to a) stockpile ammo and b) buy every accessory in sight. Bless her heart, she said "couldn't I buy it for you as a holiday gift?" at which I had to explain straw purchases.

Yet, something tells me that I'll be putting together a $10/week fund and will be purchasing soon from Shooters Discount.

And you are right Chaim, as I recalled that bayonet and thought it was an M44.

My lady is very understanding of the gun deal, think I will have to take her to "The Judges Bench" (brings back post college memories though kinda out of the way now) as a treat (Ellicott City, kinda your neck of the woods!)
 
Mosin Nagant

I have heard unconfirmed rumors that the Ruskies found a mess of these things in a salt mine somewhere, along with a heap of Mausers, and now the market has been virtually flooded with Nagants of all sizes, shapes and models. I am working my way to one, but I think I like the carbine better, especially with a plastic Monte Carlo stock (YES, I am one of THOSE guys) because the long rifle has an awful lot of barrel sticking out of the front of the stock. I have seen them from $59.95 to two for $99.00 to $275 for an American rework job (Laminated stock, Scope and bolt kit, etc). Personally, I think I'd like to buy a Mil Issue and do the rework myself. Anybody else hear the salt mines stories?
 
Greyhound, sounds like you have a good wife-to-be. I hope whoever I end up with is as understanding. As for The Judge's Bench, not really my favorite bar but I've been there a time or two (first started to play darts in the small room on the second floor of the bar). It has been years since I've been there though. Anyway, if you want the phone number for Shooter's Discount I can look it up for you (I have my receipts for all but my first couple guns in my safe so I will certainly have all my receipts for guns bought there). Good selection of used guns, decent prices, and a great guy (my only problem is I'll stop in there to look and even if I don't buy I find myself leaving 2 hours later because we got into such a great conversation). He will probably still have some for a while, he bought something like 100 when he first got them 4-6 months ago, so you may be able to wait until you move or at least build up the fund (of course, with good prices and visiting every gun show, I have no idea how long those rifles will last).
 
Most everything seems to have been covered fairly well. At that price you aren't getting a great deal, but not a bad one either. Kind of right in the low end of the middle of the retail range.

One thing that I didn't see mentioned was that with the M44 the rifle shoots closer to point of aim with the bayo extended. Plus you get the added benefit of funny looks at the range :D .

Greg
 
Anyway, if you want the phone number for Shooter's Discount I can look it up for you

Thanks, Chaim, I actually picked up a flyer from them so I'll definately be going there eventually.

I hate being responsible, its much easier to impulse buy!:D
 
You know this already, but

You asked earlier about cleaning the cosmoline from your upcoming new prize. I think that I've read posts from Okiecruffler and others that had good recommendations about gloves. You'll want good gloves that are impervious to the solvents you'll be using, and of course to work outdoors. If I were smart, I'd have kept notes about which gloves resisted which solvents. Of course, it's nice to use the cheapest gloves that will do the job. Boxed latex exam gloves work for some things (I don't like the vinyl ones, but that's just personal preference). Other solvents seem to require butyl or nitrile gloves, which cost more. Dishwashing gloves work for some things, too. It became even more important to me when I read (rumor only; I don't have a link) that Soviet "cosmoline" contained heavy metals (like arsenic) to make it a more effective preservative. I don't know if that's true, but I'm conservative about it. I've used brake cleaner (Like Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber, at less than half the price), mineral spirits, acetone and other solvents on metal, then Ed's Red for the final pass (link below). I bet Okiecruffler has a lot more experience than I do at selecting the right solvents for removing cosmoline.

Everybody needs Ed's Red, though. It's at:

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/edsred.htm


I've used a LOT of solvent on some cleaning jobs. A big, cheap, aluminum foil roasting pan from the grocery store makes a good drip pan. When you're cleaning the metal, you can collect and re-use solvent for getting the chunks out. I've used oven cleaner on the wood, too, then a hot-water soak, let it dry & sand the whiskers. Get the Heavy Duty kind of oven cleaner. Masking tape over any stamped letters or acceptance marks on the stock before sanding.

Here's a link from a Lee-Enfield guy about cleaning and refinishing.

http://www.geocities.com/lee_enfield_rifles/CareandCleaning.html

Full disclosure: I like to play around with wood. I enjoy the process of refinishing. You might not want, and will not need, to put as many coats on a stock as I'll describe below. More is prettier, though. Boiled linseed oil is a good stock finish, but it isn't the very best route to follow, except for historical accuracy when you're restoring an original linseed oil finish. It can take weeks to become fully dry, and you'll find out either that the pervasive smell of linseed oil doesn't bother you or that it does.

I like tung oil, which dries faster. My routine, once the stock is cleaned and whiskered, is to start with a mixture of 20% tung oil in 80% mineral spirits. Just paint on a thin coat; it penetrates well and dries fast. The next day (or even sooner), I do it again. After that, I continue with a little more tung oil in the mix for each coat. After about 5 coats, I'm using 50-50 tung oil and min. spirits. It goes on more easily than straight oil, and the early coats penetrate the wood well. Paint the action-bedding area with straight tung oil at least once or twice in addition to the other coats, for a little more waterproofing of this area.

Final finish: a 1:1:1 mixture of tung oil, turpentine and beeswax (I get beeswax at a local hobby store). First, you'll make sure that there are no open flames or other ignition sources nearby (like no closer than the next county). You're right: don't do this on a gas stove. Rule 1, adapted to refinishing, reads: "All flammable and combustible liquids are always about to burn your house down." Next, warm the oil & turpentine mixture in a saucepan that you will never use for food again. I got mine at a yard sale for 25¢; thrift stores work, too. It helps to set it up as a double boiler: the saucepan goes inside a larger one with some water in it. This keeps the temp. of your mixture from going over 212F; there's less chance of getting it really, really hot and you won't breathe as much turpentine. Grate the beeswax into the saucepan and stir it with an old (again, never for food) spoon. You can keep the mixture indefinitely once it's mixed. Rub it on the stock, then rub it in. A little heat, from rubbing with the heel of your hand or an old cork, makes it easier to work in. The beeswax gives the whole thing a nice, soft glow. I've happily used this finish on rile stocks and on desks. It sheds water well, and it's easy to repair.

Important note: I DID NOT INVENT THIS FINISH! I'd give credit where credit is most assuredly due, but I haven't been able to locate the link as I've been writing this. I got it from a Garand enthusiast's site, I believe. The author of that page wrote, IIRC, that he got it at Camp Perry in the 1950's from an old fella (paraphrasing now), "who looked like he had probably used it on his issue Trapdoor Springfield."

I can confirm that it works well for me.
 
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