Moisin Nagant for $99?

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I built a cooker for removing cosmo from stocks, works great. Just some furnace pipe and a small ceramic heater. It does require a lot of wiping, at least until the stock quits bleeding cosmo, but it avoids chemical use. In the summer, a hot car, a bag of kitty litter and a trash bag will do the same thing.
 
I love this board, learning all the time. Can't wait to try that beeswax, I got a VZ24 that I hadn't decided what to do with yet and that sounds like just the ticket. I usually cheat and use minwax stains in various flavors, I'm one of those who can't stand the smell of linseed oil, and I just don't have that much patience. The only solvent I use anymore is Simple Green just to mix with the cosmoline that sweats out so I'm not just rubbing it back into the wood. Occasionally if the peice is really nasty, I have to use alittle oven cleaner, but it sure does fuzz up the wood. Just got a no1MkIII .410 this morning that is going to need several cans of oven cleaner. I suffer from alot of chemical allergies, and most solvents just eat me up even with gloves.

AFWIW, I'm hardly the expert on these things. I have a beautiful all #'s matching, mirror bored M48A that has a burn mark on the stock now where I wasn't paying attention. You learn alittle something with every stock you refinish, that's half the fun of these things.
 
Found the link:

It was Walt Kuleck and Dick Culver who posted information about tung and linseed oils, and Dick Culver posted the recipe for the beeswax mixture that I have been using. It's "Method Three" at:

http://www.jouster.com/Bulletin/refinishing.htm

There's more at:

http://www.jouster.com/Bulletin/TUNG.htm

{Edited to add: I see that Dick Culver's recipe for the beeswax mixture specifies linseed oil rather than tung oil. The second time I made a batch of it, I decided "What the heck; let's see if tung oil will work." It works just fine. Linseed oil is cheaper; tung oil cures faster (by itself, but that might not matter much in the beeswax mixture) and it smells different. Your choice. Also, if you use linseed oil, be sure to use the boiled kind, because raw linseed oil takes even longer to cure.}

I forgot about the lye in oven cleaner. I've used it on a M-N stock, but never on household furniture. It can damage wood fibers on the surface, but I'd have a hard time believing that it can penetrate the whole stock and weaken it structurally, as is implied by VG's post at the link that Jack provided (good stuff there; Thanks!). Keep in mind that I'm wrong a lot; lots of experienced crufflers have used oven cleaner, but fine furniture restorers are aghast when people use bleach or lye on antique tables and chairs. If you can get away with not using it, that's great. If you do use it, be sure to get rid of it by rinsing the stock well with hot water, then soaking it for a few minutes in a tub of hot water. I do the oven cleaner, rinse and soak routine in the bathtub (I'm not married), then scrub the tub thoroughly when I'm done.

Another poster at Jack's linked site, Swede65mm, referred to oven cleaner turning stocks black. This might - might - be due to their having removed whiskers on the wood (or having done other "sanding") with steel wool instead of sandpaper. Walnut, like oak, has enough chemically-available tannins in the wood to react with left-behind iron particles to create black ferric or ferrous oxide. I never remember which is which; I'm talking about the kind that's hematite colored, not rust colored. Bleach or lye might make this reaction happen more strongly.

I forgot to write earlier that it's good to paint all of the inside of the stock with straight tung oil: the action-bedding part and the area where the barrel sits.

Tung oil, like linseed oil, is a "drying oil," also called a "polymerizing oil." These oils, and one other that I can't recall, actually form crosslinked chemical bonds as they cure in the presence of oxygen. This crosslinking of the molecules makes the finish tougher than if you'd used something like mineral oil. One result of this property is that your tung oil will start to cure inside the can after you've opened it. There are several solutions, all of which mean excluding or minimizing air in the container. You can move the unused oil to a smaller container each time you use it, leaving as little air space as possible. That's a nuisance, and it's hard to find perfect-size containers each time. Simpler is to drop clean marbles or small, washed pebbles into the can before you put it away, to bring the liquid level up as close as possible to the top of the can. And there's always the Yuppie way: you can fill the air space of the oil can with nitrogen or carbon dioxide from a spray can that you get at the wine store or the art store. That costs more. I use marbles.

Can you tell that I enjoy this stuff?
 
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Yeah, Bob, we can tell why you're happy. Do you get into gun works too, or just furniture? I'm trying to to convince the lady that I need a space of my own, even in the basement, (she likes the idea of the detached garage) where I can enjoy my own hobby. I'm trying to get into a little bit of shadetree gunsmithing, punching out pins and replacing things, and with the back-up of a forum like this, I can probably get myself out of any trouble I get into. I may also enjoy the furniture bit, myself, if I have the patience. I have all the old wood off of my SAR-1 I may try to strip and play with, as an experiment. If I get a Nagant, I will probably just replace the wood with a plastic Monte Carlo. (I know, I know, CHEATER!)
 
Starpower, I'm not doing any work on metal yet, but I can feel the inclination developing. I've followed simple instructions like cycling the action a lot on a lever-action rifle to smooth it out a bit. I've caught the bug to assemble an AR, but not from scratch, at first. You wrote,
I have all the old wood off of my SAR-1 I may try to strip and play with, as an experiment. If I get a Nagant, I will probably just replace the wood with a plastic Monte Carlo. (I know, I know, CHEATER!)
I disagree; one more Eeeevil Black Rifle in the world (and an actual military weapon, too!) is always a Good Thing. Also, I wouldn't say that Okie's cheating either (his term, might be joking) with the Minwax stain. Lots of people use it, and it's a good way to match colors, decrease the "sore thumb" effect of repairs, or deal with wood that's not uniformly dense. Watch out for end grain: it soaks up stain fast.

My Mosin-Nagant stock was an experiment, too. It's been through a war and looks it (barrel stamp says it was made in 1937). I wanted to see what I could do before I started in on cleaning up the CMP Garand that I'm saving up for. I felt that I was freer to experiment, and I didn't worry about it as I would if I were working on an M1 as my first project. Since then, I've refinished other rifles, but the Mosin-Nagant was so blotchy with age, grime, and soaked-in oils and preservatives that I couldn't have made it look worse. That stock taught me that I could do it.

Good luck on the workshop; keep ventilation in mind when you pick your spot.


{Edited to fix my misspelling of Starpower's screen name - oops!}
 
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