Mold leading and alignment issue

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I posted this yesterday on Maryland Shooters and did not get much of a response. I wanted to make sure I did not mess this mold up before complaining to Lee. I had a lot of issues starting with this mold and it just didn't "feel" right and felt like it didn't aligned completely, but could be forced. I never had lead sticking all over a mold before. I have casted a lot of BP stuff and this was my first time casting for cartridge loads.

I got the TL356-124-TC from Midway and had it a week or two and decided to cast today. The sprue plate was tight as crap to begin with and hard to use. The mold had slight alignment issues, but it I could get it to align. If the sprue plate was open wide it didn't align.

It took a while to heat up and get rid of the wavy bullets. Then once heated it cats pretty well for a while. I ran one pot down and filled it back up. The mold cooled a bit and had to run a few to warm it back up. The far left slide was slicking and the near right side was sticking like hell, even with multiple candling. It seemed to wear by the end, maybe.

On the second pot I started having more trouble. I started seeing lead smear on the bottom of the sprue plate. Is this moving too fast? Lead was on the top of the mold. The sprue plate loosen up and now I can't get it to stay tight. A couple castings and it is loose now.

I think maybe it being hot and me moving fast caused the lead build up. How do i clean this up?

I cast a couple bad bullets where alignment didn't match. Also some of the bases left a flange almost. I little run on sand paper will probably clean them right up. I have never cast this much at one time and don;t know if I ran too fast and too hot. This mold also showed a lot of issues from the start and still having alignment issues and now the loose sprue plate.

Pic 1 - mis-alignment let more lead flow.
Pic 2 - Fllange on bottom of some bullets.
Pic 3 - all of them and flange bullets out front.
Pic 4 - You can see around the top hole on the right and bottom hole on bottom right and left side fo mold lead is sticking to the mold. The shine on the sprue plae is actually lead that was sticking.
Pic 5 - Lead smeared on the sprue pale.
Pic 6 - Mold not aligning, you can see the gap and the two halves not matching.

I have cast a lot of round balls and Lee Reals and ths is my first step into to casting cartridge rounds and I think there might be a combination of me going to fast, mold hot and maybe mold issues
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Yes your going to fast and I have to agree with my amphibious friends post above mine that you may have a lemon on your hands
 
I agree that the last pic shows the 2 halves out of alignment (but....)
The primary issue appears to be casting too hot, and opening too early.

OOC: What's the alloy and temperature ?
 
Check the alignment pins and matting holes to be sure lead or debris isn't adhered to them.
 
Lee moulds also need a touch of lube on the alignment pins. Lees also need to be kept not but not too hot. Harder to develop good technique than with iron moulds.
 
Appears to be an alignment issue from the factory.

A later step in making the mold appears to be beveling the outside corners of the mold.

The bevels are in alignment but everything else is misaligned indicating it left the factory misaligned.
 
Alloy is about 11 to 12 BHN and was run around 700. I've always done the same with Round balls and softer lead.

Yes, the last pic was to show how it did not always line up.

I lever lubed a sprue on any other mold. What lube is going to stay on it at 600 degrees?

How do I go about cleaning all the lead off and try again, slower and letting it setup better before opening the sprue plate, before calling Lee if I really feel it is a bad mold?
 
If it was me, I would get it up to temp and drop the rounds through even if it is just to have as little lead as possible, unless you are already there.
let it cool - Lots of people use different means. I clean mine with a toothbrush and denatured alcohol
lube the sprue and alignment pins with 2 stroke oil - just a dab and wipe on with a rag on room temperature mold.
being an aluminum lee mold- some would recommend to smoke it with a candle or lighter. dealers choice on that.
 
From Lee-

Lack of lubrication will cause the mold blocks to misalign, or the sprue plate to gall the top surface of the mold. Lead splatter on the mold face will not allow the mold to close fully.

A tiny amount of Break Free CLP works for me.

When the mold gets hot, touch one end to the *aligning grooves* along the sides of the mold block, on the underside of the sprue plate around the sprue pivot, and on the steel pins along the bottom of the mold block. Use sparingly, if any gets into the mold cavity it will cause wrinkled bullets. (*old molds?*)

https://support.leeprecision.net/en/knowledgebase

I just bougnt 2 Lee , 2 cavaty molds. A lot better quality then the ones years ago. The lube thing is still a pain in the #&$%. I dont lube my iron molds.


Are you pressure casting? If so stop. When the bottom pour spout is in contact with tne mold, the added pressure may make lead flow where you dont want it.
 
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Having Lee molds and used them successfully previously I thought you read the instructions on how to prepare it. I use a bit of liquid alox on a q-tip to lube the alignment pins/dowels and the sprue plate after it is warmed. I also use a Bic lighter to smoke the cavities. I relube when things become sticky as needed.
Clean out your alignment holes and clean off the pins and sprue plate then lube them and after heating and try it.

ETA: 243winxb beat me to it:thumbup:
 
How do I go about cleaning all the lead off
A good question for the Lee website. Lee doesnt seem to cover it? https://support.leeprecision.net/en/knowledgebase/category/bullet-molds-and-casting?page=1
Warm mold. Try wiping with a cloth. Dont burn it. Or WD 40 & the cloth. Or oil and fine steel wool, be very carecul with this.
On the bottom of the sprue plate, WD40 and run a razor blade across the flat surface. But the blade may find high spotts. I remove these when the Lee mold is new, using fine emery paper. 397492_p.jpeg
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Possible lead clogged vents
Maybe need to thoroughly clean and then re-smoke.
Dors look a little mid aligned from top also
Jmtcw
 
I never tried the smoke thing.

LEE Mold Tips-


The Double Cavity Molds that come back to us for repair invariably do so due to lack of lubrication. You can keep your mold working trouble free for years by following the suggestions below - practices that I follow here at the factory.

After receiving your mold and cleaning it per the instructions, cast one set of bullets to warm the mold. Then smoke the mold heavily. I use a lighter, and prefer one of the "oven" type lighters with a long barrel. Take a clean rag and wipe the soot off of the mold faces. Get them nice and clean. Now cast two or three more sets of bullets to get the mold hot. The steel alignment pins should now be hot enough to melt the beeswax or Anti-Seize lubricant.

To prepare the lube, slice off a piece about 1/4 inch wide. Cut that piece in half and form it into a football shape. Lightly touch the lube to the steel pins and then run it along both aluminum nibs at the ends of the mold. You want lube on the pin, but do not use so much that it gets on the mold faces.

Cast another set of bullets, knock them out, and carefully inspect the mold faces for evidence of lube. If you see any lube on the faces, wipe it off with a clean rag. You're now ready to go. Inspect the mold faces frequently to be sure that nothing gets on them. Keep the mold faces clean. The small grooves in the faces allow air to escape when pouring and in doing so, prevent wrinkles. You don't want anything to fill them up.

To minimize wear on the aluminium by the steel pins, you want the pins to do as little work as possible. If you hold your mold upright and slowly bring the halves close together, you may find that the mold halves don't quite line up. The pins will do the final alignment, but generally, if the mold is held upside down the sprue plate will open, the alignment will be initially better and the pins will have little to do. If this is the case with your mold, then this is the casting procedure that I recommend: 1) Pour 2) Turn the mold past vertical and knock the sprue into the pot 3) Turn the mold upside down, open and knock the handles to release the bullets.... never into the pot though. With the sprue plate straight out to the right, you can knock the handle just above the sprue plate. 4) Close the mold 5) Turn the mold right side up and only then, close the sprue plate.

Never close the mold with the sprue plate not completely open or close the sprue plate with the mold not completely closed. If you do, the sprue plate can hit the opposing mold face and nick it which will put annoying little tails on your bullets.

Relube your mold about every 500 casts, and be sure to put a little lube on the sprue plate pivot or you will get galling in that area. You can just touch the lube on the side of the bolt when the mold is hot and lube will wick down. Again, not too much or it may run into the cavity. Wipe off any excess.

It's vital to keep lead splashes off the mold faces or your mold will go out of round. A dripping pot may send out a splash that finds your open mold. Also, NEVER knock your bullets out into the pot! Finally, be careful not to damage the edges or rims of the cavities, and in general, don't touch them with anything other than a soft cloth.

My method-
When i got my Lee 2 cavaty molds, i did my normal prep i use for iron molds.

Wash in hot tap water using Dawn. Lightly scrub with a stensel brush. Rinse with a flow of hot water. Dry with wife's nice new fluffy towel. :D Set on edge of Lee 10 lb pot to warm. Lube mold with BF CLP. Start casting with pot at maximum heat, till bullets are good. Then move pot heat pointer to 8.5. If i see a frosted bullet, later, move to 7.5. Mold will get to hot. Take a break to let it cool.

I always check as cast diameter on the first bullets, as soon as the cool. If undersize, add antimony rich alloy, like linotype.
 
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I have several sets of Lee molds and have only had trouble with one of them. I do the smoke thing with them and use bee's wax for lube. The alignment pins on my bad one was the cause and considering the initial cost I made an attempt to salvage them. I improved things a bit but not enough for them to be useful and they found a home in the blue cart I drag out to the road to be emptied every week.The replacement works fine.

I'm in agreement that the OP is opening his mold too quickly and the sprue plate and mold top needs cleaned and more lube used on the plate.
 
Ok, I think I learned my lesson from this one. I just cast about 500 - 600 454 round balls a couple weeks ago in a lee mold and didn't have an issue. I guess I'll start lubing now, but I got to clean this one now.

Ok, I have beeswax for making lube in pellets. So I can melt some into a stick and use that as lube?

To remove the lead from the mold, should I use a propane torch and heat the mold and then heat the spots with lead and wick the lead of with an old tee shirt? How do you remove the lead? Those vents are not going to clean with a razor blade. Or is there a better way?
 
Warm mold. Try wiping with a cloth.
This is when at casting temperatures. I would not use a propane torch.
WD 40 & the cloth. Or oil and fine steel wool, be very carecul with this.
On the bottom of the sprue plate, WD40 and run a razor blade across the flat surface. But the blade may find high spotts. I remove these when the Lee mold is new, using fine emery paper
This with mold at room temperature.

Vents- tooth brush, mold cold, any penetrating oil.

I wonder what "No-Lead" solvent would do? 20210131_142700.jpg
 
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Beeswax will work fine for lubricating the hinge pins and alignment blocks.

DO NOT use Lee Liquid Alox, it'll burn into a brown munge that can keep your mold from closing properly.

For lubing the sprue plate and top of the mold I recommend Stihl synthetic two stroke oil. Don't use too much, a little goes a long way! A very little bit on a cotten rag will help to remove already smeared on lead and keep it from sticking in the future.

The sprue plate screws on Lee molds are notorious for backing out. The best fix I've found is to drill and tap a hole for a headless hex screw that will lock the sprue screw in place and keep it from loosening.
 
Excellent idea checking the MSDS!

I checked the one for the much cheaper mineral oil based HP lube and it's actually got a higher flash point than the high dollar synthetic stuff.
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Regardless of that, for me the synthetic oil works much better.

As an aside I looked up straight castor bean oil and it's got a flash point of 229°c/444.2°f.

It might do a good job of lubing sprue plates, but bullet production rates would undoubtedly fall anyway due to excessive bathroom breaks. :cuss:
 
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