Money is here: RCBS Pro 2000, Dillion 550B, Dillion 650

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Okay, Okay.

The final decision is made! Here is the conclusion, and it is on order.

I switched gears completely, and went with the............

Redding T7 Turret with the primer bar. I think that I will be very happy with this press. It offers a lot of different setups, and semi progressive loading as well as being strong enough for specific chores.

When I get it setup I will reply back and let you know what I think about it. Price with shipping $323.00..
 
I have both a 550b and a 650. Unless I'm going to load 1000+ at once I use the 550. The extra time it takes for setting up the 650 just doesn't seem worth it to me
 
Funny how things change.

After putting together the Redding package and ordering it, I had a change of mind. Then more money came about. :)
So, what happened was I went to Brian Enos' site, and ended up ordering a Dillion 550B in .223, and a caliber change to .44 Mag with a Deluxe change kit. I also added the "As it should be" kit from his site.

I know that I will have to wait a month or two, but I have waited this long... I went back and forth over the LNL and the 550B. For me, I really liked the fact that it was a manual indexing press. Able to be used as a single stage press easily, and can be used for precision loading like the BL550 for my larger rifle calibers doing small runs for hunting and fun shoots to 6-800 yards.

I will be loading primarily .44 Magnum, .223, 9mm, and .30-30 on this press. I think I am going to sell one of my 30-30 rifles to buy a .44 Magnum lever rifle. I love shooting those Lever Action Carbines, but don't like the bottle neck cartridges of the .30-30. I would love to be able to make runs of 1000 rounds of .44 Mag to shoot out of a rifle and revolver.

I'd like to thank all who gave their experiences. I know I could have just kept on keeping on with a hand and single stage press, but I have secretly wanted a Dillion 550B since I first saw one. Should make for some fun loading. Now to work up loads using some ball powders. DOH! All my loads now use stick powders. Not a big deal, and certainly not a deal breaker.
 
So I just went through Brian's site, and it looks like you spent $772 for the 550B, accessories, two sets of dies, and a caliber conversion kit. For that, you got a 4-station, manually-indexed press capable of loading .223 and .44mag.

Whereas, going through MidwayUSA's site, the RCBS Pro2000 you were previously looking at, with shell plates, die plates, and dies for both .44mag and .223, would have ran $733.

$40 cheaper, for a 5-station, auto-indexed, progressive press.

In the end, I'm sure you'll be happy with the 550. But... I just don't get it.
 
You don't have to get it. I researched and got what I wanted.
 
Also, your price is not correct. Take into consideration the shipping from midway. Also, not everything was in stock. So, you have to pay several shipping charges from Midway as parts come in.

In did not want an auto-index press after i thought about it. Do not need one, and wanted to manually index for several reasons. What advantage does a five hole do me when I only need four?


I didn't get dies. Have them already. I am not getting off the high road here, but if you want me to have a pro 2000 from Midway, you can buy me on with your money.
 
Nothing wrong with the 550B.

I use mine for both pistol and bottleneck rifle, though I found I have to "break out" resizing/remove case lube/trim and then resume with progressive operations, for rifle.

The only modifications I've made to my press are the UniqueTek turbo bearing -

http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1281

and the micrometer powder measure bars -

http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1231

There is nothing wrong with the Dillon design, but these make it better.

Of the two, I really like the smoother indexing operation with the turbo bearing. I understand a similar thrust bearing can be purchased from McMaster-Carr for around $5, if you don't like UniqueTek's price.

With the micrometer powder measure bars, I find I can quickly change to a different load for that caliber (toolhead), but all it does is save a few minutes of trial and error adjustment with the original Dillon bolt. So I'd classify it as a "hassle remover" rather than a real improvement.

The primer tube thing makes for a nice break. Yes, it is tedious, but it is not fragile.

Something that may not be obvious is that there is a corresponding plastic finger thing at the end of the magazine tube, above the primer slide. After a couple of thousand rounds, I managed to wear this out. Easy to replace, and then I was back in business.

It is probably a good idea to get a replacement for this part, in both sizes if you reload both small and large primers.

Something else that can be done is to get spare primer tubes, if you don't find reloading primer tubes to be a relaxing break from the press. Then you can load up 4 or 5 and settle in for reloading 500 rounds with only a brief pause to refill the magazine on the press.

I like my 550B and I wouldn't replace it with a more automated model, even if someone gave me one. I find it is "fast enough".
 
I received the press tonight with the .223 shell-plate along with the powder funnel. I have not received all of the extras at this time, strong mount, .44 cal conversion, aluminum handle, etc, so I have not mounted the press.

I did however mock up the press on the bench, and thought about mounting it, and then remounting it when the strong mount came in.

Man, what a nice press, and the finish is second to none. I can't wait to get rolling on this press.
I am going to sell all of my powder stock, and make the switch to Ramshot powders probably. I have several H4895 1 lbs. canisters, 2400 1 lbs. canisters, and IMR 4227 (my favorite .44 Magnum powder) that I will be selling off to pay for the new powder change.
 
I have an LnL that I've had for about a year and a half. It's been decent. I jus got a Dillon 650XL and so far I like it better. I'm going to try to slowly migrate over to the Dillon and maybe sell the LnL
 
I've been really happy with my 550. Its given me years of service with only a few problems. The problems that were the presses fault usually were fixed with an improved part, not just something that will fail again. Even the stuff that I broke was replaced for free, and always fast. I can approach 550 rounds per hour, but I can not sustain it for very long. I would guess about 400-450 per hour for an afternoon would be my average. The first caliber change takes a little time, say 10-15 minutes maybe. After the first time or two, its quicker. I use several different brands of dies, but if I did not have any, I would use Dillon. Hope this is some help, Lightman
 
the 5th hole allows you to seat and crimp in separate stations which is critical if loading lead w/o cannalure. It also allows for a powder check die. If you're loading jacketed and eyeball every charge, 4 holes is just fine!. I prefer manual indexing too. Less powder sloshing imho.

they're all great presses. I personally use the rcbs pro 2000, mostly because the price was right on ebay, and I love the APS primer strips.

it also depends on what you're reloading. I load for 30'06, 223rem, 44mag, 45acp, and 40s&w. If I'm making sniper rounds for 30'06 with trimming and trickle charging, I'd honestly prefer a cheap single stage.

edfardos
 
I love my RL550b. It's got well over 25,000 rounds through it without a single broke part. I actually have a extra tool head just for my .223/5.56 sizing die. My .223/5.56 tool head with my powder die, seater, and crimp die has station 1 empty. I have slowly added extra powder measures on each caliber tool head except my .223 sizing tool head. I plan to add a new RL550b soon for Lrg primer so I don't have to change out priming bars. Welcome to the BLUE side!!
 
I am a fan of the Pro2000 and have done over 300,000 rounds on it. It works and is easy to use. There are a lot of threads on the optimization of it.

I suggest a simple TCO calculation. (Total Costs of Ownership). Figure out the total costs to load all of your calibers and all of the needed supplies and then weigh the advantages/cons.

I have concluded that while I like the pro2000 and it works well for me. You can do just as well with other tools like the Dillons or Hornadys. The key is learning to work with the press instead of fighting it. I feel no obligation to use ball powders which seem to be popular with the Blue clan. I like big fluffy powders like Trailboss, 800x as my press delivers them nicely. Others have issues with these powders and don't use them. I tend to avoid fine ball powders as I don't have the need for fine flowing powders to get consistency and they tend to flame cut my revolvers.

So, pick what you feel comfortable with. Learn its quirks and load away. After a few hundred thousand rounds you will probably figure out how to make a decent piece of ammo with it.
 
Oh, took the blue kool-aid, huh? I'm sure you'll be pleased, I think the 550 is the most known and popular blue press. The nice thing is you can leave the turret and casually load one round while doing it any way you wish.
A friend of mine is a uspsa grand master, he operates a 550 with casefeeder and bullet feeder and can continuously run well over 1000 per hour on his(not for the timid nor casual loader).








After a few hundred thousand rounds you will probably figure out how to make a decent piece of ammo with it.

I'm sorry you are such a slow-learner, Mr Eick. :rolleyes:

The OP took delivery of his 550b, which is why the thread was bumped.
 
A few hundred thousand rounds? That does seem a little high to get a good reload. I thought hard on the pro-2000, but in the end did not want to use an Auto-Indexing press. Most of the time I seat and crimp in the same station for .44 Magnum since I do trim my brass (sometimes), so a powder-cop die isn't out of the question.

Also, as far as ball powders go, I prefer some ball powders in my .223, but they are hard to come by where I live, so H4895 and RL15 got the most use here because I can load decent loads in all of the calibers I shoot in rifle accept .25-06.
But since I have a new hand loader friend who can split the cost of the hazmat fee, the change over to Ramshot and the cost savings will not be a big deal for me. Especially now that people are drooling over H4895 where I live because it cannot be found.

Who knows? Quite possibly RL15 will load very well in my RL550b, and I might not use the powder throw for .44 Mag instead choose to use a powder funnel and dip my IMR 4227 charge, which I do most of the time anyway.

SO you can judge me, criticize me with your passive aggressive comments for going "BLUE", but end the end it wasn't your money, you will not be using it, and I find it out right childish for an adult to judge another adult on issue regarding personal preference of material goods.
Yes, I did ask for opinions, and I changed mine frequently over the last year. Went from Lee Classic Turret, Redding T7, Pro-2000, Dillion 550B, Hornady L-N-L AP, and the gamut, but the end result was a choice made from a long list of pros and cons, many thread readings, dealings and conversations with Brian Enos, and personal preference that I could never shake from the back of my head. The Dillion 550b has been in my thoughts since I first saw it. The manual progression is what turns me on to it. I know there is a manual Pro-2000, but then again I just couldn't get the Pro-2000 to out weigh the Dillion on my pros and cons list for what I needed in a press.
 
I may be a slow learner, but I have sure had a lot of fun along the way!


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Good luck on your press and have fun at it. Just remember they all have their quirks and none is perfect. Learn how to make yours work to its best capabilities.
 
Congrats on the new press!
A 550 is absolutely a workhorse.
I've had mine for just over 2 years and loaded close to 20,000 rounds on it.

While there was a hiccup or two, Dillon's customer service fixed me right up.
(even when I caused the hiccup)

PS: Don't over tighten the Primer Housing and Shield when you change primer size - it will warp.
I caused the problem, but Dillon sent me a new assembly FOC (Free Of Charge).
 
I have owned the Dillon 550. I've owned the Hornady LnL. I've reloaded a lot of ammo on my buddy's 650. After all of that, I currently own an RCBS Pro 2000.

The RCBS has one flaw: It does not take a case feeder without serious modification. That said and having owned a case feeder on my LnL, I much prefer the RCBS Pro 2000 to any of the others.

Why? Because the primer strip feed is so much more trouble free than a tube fed system. Once the RCBS is set up and adjusted properly, it becomes boring to operate, it's so reliable and simple.

BTW, I do use Hornady, RCBS, Lee and Dillon powder measures on my RCBS Pro 2000 and nearly every single brand of die, each brand and die chosen to improve the application/performance/experience of reloading a particular cartridge for a particular firearm. I'm extremely happy with the setup.

All of the company's progressives can be adjusted to run extremely well. Some are easier to setup and maintain than others. So pick the one with features you think suits you best, use it and see how you like it. Worst case, if you don't like it, you can sell it in a year or two for more than you bought it for and buy yourself another brand to try.

I did and it was a very fun experience. Kinda like trying out a new rifle.
 
If money is no object, blue is the color to go for. Yes, they are pricey, but "Buy once, cry once". Now you are down to "which blue press"? :)
 
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