Dillion verses Hornady

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Highland Lofts, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. AR-Bossman

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    Since I don't use a dillon powder measure the safety rod isn't in the way and I can use swing away deactivator. They make sliding ones as well which should work with a safety rod installed, but I haven't tried those.
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  2. AR-Bossman

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    One thing that is universal is how you load the plate. People that are sizing and doing all in one on the press (9mm people), will find having all that pressure on one side of the platform will effect OAL. So imagine sizing, depriming (station 1) then belling and powder drop (station 2). Well nothing else is gonna compete with those two as far as downward pressure is concerned, so whatever clearances exist will be giving you different OALs.

    On these 223 I was loading, the pressure was very equal all around. No sizing, all the brass is annealed.
     
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  3. Reeferman

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    When setting COL I always have a case in sizing die as well as powder measure PTX on my LNL. I would think doing the same on a Dillon would work as well. That way COL is very close except on the last few to be loaded.
     
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  4. GW Staar

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    The big difference is Dillon requires you to pick a caliber.....and they send it out tweaked for that caliber, parts and adjustments for that caliber....and if you buy a feeder, tested for that same caliber. When you add a caliber kit is where the home tweaking has to occur ..... especially adding rifle to a machine set up for pistol. That's where you separate the men from the boys.;) Some are just more adapt at reading and understanding directions and intent than others.

    Hornady (and RCBS) sends a press, boxed from the factory....generic in every way. No hand holding until you call support. YOU have to do all the tweaking.....and some do that better than others. They are cheaper for that reason.

    But which ever brand, strong bulls used to doing before thinking, break things, and will have no trouble breaking a press......and they are color blind. My Pro Chucker 7 is still using the original primer sliders.....not because they are better, because I know that if the lever pull hangs....I stop to see what's wrong....and it's always my fault.

    I have a brother-in-law who buys a new car....Chevy, Toyota, Cadillac, it don't matter, but it spends the first two months in the shop.....every time. For the dealer it's a mixed blessing.....he buys a lot of cars......but they better get a good price out of him, because he will test them.
     
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  5. Master Blaster

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    I have owned a Dillon RL550 since 2000. Load .45acp, .44mag, 9mm and .357 mag. When Hornady came out with the LNL AP press they had a 1000 free bullet giveaway when you bought the press. So for $350 I got the press and $180 dollars worth of premium .45 acp xtp bullets. I loaded .45 acp on the Hornady only for 10 years. It seemed to always need adjustments, and had trouble seating primers fully. 4 months ago I sold it and bought a new RL550C. I am glad to be rid of the Hornady press. The 550 is much more ergonomic and I can load much faster on it than the Hornady LNL even with manual indexing.

    The old LNL with Dillon measure and expander.

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  6. Highland Lofts

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    I should be getting the Hornady progressive press here shortly them I can mount up the Dillion 650 and the Hornady progressive and try them out side by side. I will post a pic when I get them set up.
     
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  7. Megawatt maker

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    I have a Dillion 550B. I like every part it execpt the powder measures. Have the standard and the magnum sized.

    They simply suck. I adapted a Redding 30BR and Hornady LNL with the case activation.

    Now the Dillion is truely a progessive.

    I love Dillion just not their measures.
     
  8. Highland Lofts

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    How was it to mount the Hornady powder measure on to your Dillion?
     
  9. Megawatt maker

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    Very easy. Just buy the case activation devise for the Hornady LNL measure. It screws right into the Dillion tool head. Adjust, and load.

    The Redding took more doing, had to buy the adaptors from Dillion, and have to run the handle manually, but it's an extremely accurate measure so the trade off is worth it.
     
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  11. Allen One1

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    That powder measure looks good in blue.
     
  12. rb288

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    I, currently, have a Dillon Square Deal B for 9mm and one for 45acp.
    Those are the only pistol cartridges I load for.
    For my rifle rounds, and I reload for 7 different calibers, I have a Redding T7 turret press that I really like.
    It is faster than a single stage, and to me, more accurate than a progressive.
    I don't have any experience with Hornady, but, I suspect, it's pretty much just personal preference.

    On a personal note....
    Drainsmith,
    I feel your pain.
    I am 69 and in the last 2 years I have gone from perfect health to having a rt. total knee replacement, a left knee needing a total replacement before the end of the year, foot problems in both feet due to the knee issues, and 2 degenerative disks, and 1 ruptured disk in my lower back.
    Getting old like this was NOT what I was looking forward to.
    But when the grandkids come jumping into your lap giving hugs, and saying "Papa, I love you", it certainly makes everything else pale in comparison, and you just keep moving on.
     
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  13. Highland Lofts

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    RB it certainly sucks when you health starts to go bad. I'm 7 years behind you.
     
  14. lordpaxman

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    This is how I load as well. All stations working with consistent pulls/pushes is the best way to get consistent ammo. To mitigate the last 3 rounds in a session (powder, powder check, seat), I’ll still re-size in station 1, but pull it before priming. That helps keep COL within tolerance.

    I don’t want to start a debate on powder measures, but as I have a Dillon on order, I’d like to know what you don’t like about their measures.
     
  15. Megawatt maker

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    Not wishing to debate either. Been there, done that. To those who do not agree with me, we just have to agree to disagree.

    That said...I went through hell with Dillion over a couple month period when I bought my Dillion gear about 10 years ago. The measure that came with the package, their standard size, simply would not drop anything close to consistent with anything but ball powder. That would be fine, but at that time I was loading 300 win mag and 300 RUM. They needed stick powders..which the Dillion measure flatly would not do. I called them, they recommended the Belted Magnum measure. It was supposed to allivate all the problems with large stick powders that the standard had.

    It didnt even come close to working. It would drop charges up to 1.5 grains low, and worse, sometimes over a grain higher. No rythm or reason to it. I called Dillion again. They recommended all kinds of fixes, polishing the metal in the hopper, funnel, slide..etc, and then coat with car wax....

    Did all that....NADA function.

    Next, shim the tool head. Did that, and while it didnt fix the measure issues, it had other advantages. So I kept that one.

    The last thing they told me to do...tape a fish filter pump to the hopper and rig a pedal to give it a vibration blast every so often. At that point, I had lost it, and we went round and round in a very heated conversation over the phone.

    I never called them again. That's what I call lousy engineering if one must resort to that kind of crap to make a product work.

    Ya...I dont use their measures on anything, ever. They are less than useful, and in the case of the magnum measure...downright dangerous.

    Everything else about Dillion I love, but they need to pull their head out of their neitheregions, bite the bullet, admit their measures are pure crap, and come out with a new design.

    They kinds sorta have admitted their measures are crap. They recommend a Redding Measure on their website for stick powders. That at least is a start.
     
  16. Crazy Horse

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    THX. Just ordered a 10 pack to give it a try. I'm on my third spring and it's already starting to show kinks.

    Since you have both, if someone were thinking of getting a second press, would you recommend like products to keep costs down? It looks to me like Dillon nickel and dimes you on the accessories to complete the press. Or is the Dillon complete like the Hornady LnL, requiring only the dies? I was considering the Square Deal B in 45 acp, but hesitate as it seems like there are other accessories in addition to the dies needed that aren't included to start reloading. Plus they seem to be sold out everywhere finding only the RL550C in stock.

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  17. Megawatt maker

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    If I recall correctly, when I bought my 550B, it came with everything needed execpt dies and scales, for basic use. The extras like strong mount and bullet tray, and bins, most definitely nickle and dime you, but they are very nice add ins that make using a Dillion much more pleasant.
     
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  18. lordpaxman

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    @Megawatt maker , thanks for the information.
     
  19. Megawatt maker

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    Hope it helped. As I said, I live Dillion. They do stand behind everything they make save the measures, and I'm sure if I pushed th err m hard enough, they would take them back and refund/credit me for something else. Next time I get a bug up my butt maybe I'll try that...

    But anyway...my 550 is rock solid, never screws up peice of engineering marvel. Just put the Hornaday measure on it and it's good to go.
     
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