More ammo @ Walmart than you might think!?

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I just got into 22 a few months back (now I have a Colt, 15-22, and ARX160) so I've been on an ammo hunt for a while.

I've been visiting the ammo case at Walmart for over 20 years - light on groceries this week? Think I'll just cruise by the ammo case and see what's on sale! (remember when ammo used to go on sale?).

Having no luck finding 22, I learned the rules of the Walmart ammo game, and showed up every morning just before the 7am ammo rollout for 8 weeks - got 22 ammo twice in that time.

Ye olde Spidey sense got to tingling, so I went to work - learned how to monitor their inventory, built a spreadsheet (looking for patterns / delivery schedules), etc. Since doing so, I've managed to get all the 22 ammo both I and two friends need in short order, but here are a few things I've found.

1. Was told the 7am ammo rollout policy did not originate with Walmart, but was suggested by LE (home office told me this).
2. 7 out of 10 stores I visit the system works as it's "supposed" to - inventory is tripped as ammo arrives, somewhere past 4pm or so, it goes from the truck to the locked cage in the back (along with guns), and is rolled out at 7am the next morning.
3. At least that's how it's supposed to work - in the other 3 out of 10 stores I visit, I find I have apparently crapped in somebody's sandbox! Ammo shows IN STOCK (did not yesterday, so something tripped inventory), yet no one in the store can find!
4. I've discussed this with Bentonville a couple of times - it has worked its way back down the chain, and I've been called by a few store managers - one has taken action to correct the problem - I steered her to ammo showing IN STOCK, but they haven't had for over 3 weeks when I went looking for it - she corrected the inventory within 2 hours. The rest of the managers are paying lip service to the problem, but are doing nothing about it.
5. One reason some Walmart ammo shipments may be lacking, is I have found many cases where they think they have 20 boxes on hand, but there is none (if they think they have 20 boxes on hand, would it be reordered?).
6. On my last investigation at our local store (there is a lot of ammo stashing for friends / flippers, etc going on), I happened upon the last box of Winchester 333 on the shelf - got home and checked online inventory, and it showed IN STOCK (meaning they have more than 5 boxes on hand). After a couple of hours of no change, I printed the sheet, took it to the store, had a manager use her handheld scanner on the barcode at the empty shelf, and she said they show 7 boxes on hand! After lots of gyrations and movement (but no action), they threw their hands up and said we don't know where it is! I told her it's on the premises "somewhere", and I have no doubt that inventory will update as somebody gets it out of its hiding hole and sells it to friends, etc.
The next morning, it had gone from IN STOCK to LIMITED STOCK, so boxes had been sold. I printed out the sheet, paid 'em another visit, and while at the customer service desk, got the gal to run the code on the printout - she said they showed 4 boxes in stock. I asked to speak to the store manager, and after a 45 minute wait, another flunky was sent instead (not the first time this has happened) - she punched in the code I gave her on her handheld, and reported there was 1 box on hand! I laughed and said in the 45 minutes I've been standing here waiting on you, 3 boxes of the missing ammo have been sold!
She had the gal at the customer service desk check her system, and sho' 'nuff, she now showed only 1 box on hand (she verified to the area manager that when I arrived at the desk, there were 4 on hand)!

Bottom line?
1. There is MUCH more ammo coming into Walmart than you think - it just depends on whether your store is operating per corporate policy (no stashing / hiding / holding ammo, and it's first come, first serve), or whether your store has a rogue employee or more hiding ammo for friends / flippers.
2. Walmart may not be ordering some ammo, as they think they have X number of boxes on hand, but do not. I find this most often with smaller (easily stolen?) boxes. I have pointed out to our local store on more than one occasion that they show ammo in stock, yet the shelf is bare and has been for some time - so far no one has been interested in correcting the inventory.

BTW - I actually caught one local employee bringing ammo from the back (no 223 in the case, was told there was none) - I could tell she knew the gentleman she was yakkin' with, and I overheard her tell him "give me just a minute".
Instead of leaving, I hung around the next aisle, and every 30 seconds or so, I made a pass by the ammo aisle and glanced down the aisle to see what was going on. On about the third pass, I saw her locking the ammo case - she had placed one box of 223 in the case, and was selling the 3-box limit to her buddy (remember, there was NO 223 in the case, and I asked).

I also went in one morning @ 7am after an inventory trip - same gal asked me what I was after - I flipped open my printout, and she reached under the counter and produced 3 boxes of Federal AutoMatch.
Both corporate and local management have told me it is against company policy to store ammo ANYWHERE but in the locked cage in the warehouse, or the ammo case.

Wonder how many times you folks have gone by your local Walmart's ammo case, didn't see anything there, and thought they were out? :scrutiny:
 
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I wish I were retired and had that much time to go on quests for ammo.

As it stands all my local Walmarts are bone dry and I have no doubt when it comes in some is stashed for the workers friends/family. Happens with a lot of things besides ammo.
 
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I have no doubt that a lot of the Walmart "scarcity" is due to their employees holding ammo for friends so they can share in the profits of "flipping". If one guy can get 10 bricks of .22 a week for his friend and they flip them on GB then that is a lot of profit for a minimum wage/part time employee. At the height of the panic this stuff was selling for $100 on GB so you are looking at $800 or so in profit for a few hours of work. I'm sure it is against company policy and I'm also pretty sure most of their "management" team isn't that concerned about it.
The only way to run down issues like this is exactly what you have been doing. It takes time and effort for very little reward but who knows, maybe your inquiries will lead to some positive changes in their policies.
 
Glad I have been stocking up for many years--don't have to worry about any
outfit that sells ammo.
Wal-mart no longer sells much ammo in our area--maybe a few shotgun shells.
The anti-gunners got to Sears & K-Mart. They no longer handle any gun equipment incl. ammo.
M. Wards went out of business--they handled many guns & ammo.
BUMMER
 
Just sitting here looking at my spreadsheet...

In eight weeks of being there @ 7am every morning and getting 22 ammo only twice in those 8 weeks, since I've gotten systematic 'bout this thing:
1. Local store received a case of Federal AutoMatch 7-19, 7-24, 7-30 (I got my 3-box limit each time) - if the pattern holds, they're 'bout due for another shipment.
This is assuming, of course, that the local "ring" consists of only an employee or two, and does not involve management - I assume management is not gaming the inventory system now that they know someone is watching them?
I have heard reports of management in some stores being fired when it was discovered they were intercepting a large portion of incoming ammo - they were buying it all and reselling it.
2. They've also received Winchester M*22, Winchester 555, CCI AR Tactical, Remington Golden Bullet 225s, and the occasional smattering of small boxes (Mini-Mags etc) that I'm not messing with.

That's a far cry from only getting 22 twice in 8 weeks!

At this point I've got all the 22 I need for quite some time - would like to pick up the occasional oddball for testing (Winchester Varmint X, etc).

It ceased being about the ammo a while ago... :eek:
 
I would like to see every one in the usa stop buying ammo for 3 mo. but will never happen, to much GREED out their. and I bet most people that have ammo would not use it to protect their family
 
the fringe benefits of a low paying job I guess.

I suspect managers may not care a whole lot because it is still be sold. Not like it is being stolen.
 
Good work,I wish their was someone doing that at my walmart.
It's very hard to keep my two boys stocked up with 22's and walmart is definitely a hit and miss and LGS is also.
 
Nice detective work, but for me, all that back and forth isn't worth the gas to go after some ammo. I order online and wait a little bit, or order through my gun club (along with reloading supplies) and save on shipping and hazmat
 
Yes, thanks for the P.I. work. If only they could catch these employees and can them but apparently Walmart management doesn't see the implications of what their rogue employees are doing.
I've already told some managers that until those shelves are stocked, I'm not stopping in. It may only be a few hundred dollars a month but it still is lost sales for them, not that they really care.
How can they when they are doing millions a day. Walmart has gotten too big for it's britches. Now that they are on top they can step all over us since they killed most competition and we have to take it.
I offered advice on putting the ammo out randomly so the ones in the morning don't gobble it all up. It's one thing to stand in line because you're already at work and be there first but the underhanded
garbage that is going on in there needs to stop so we can get back to pre-panic pricing.
 
Not like it is being stolen.
Are you sure?

While I have little trouble with inventory trips / obtaining ammo AFA the bulk packs (harder to steal?), there are a number of stores that have incorrect inventory on the small stuff.
Easiest way I know of to screw the inventory up like that is the five-finger discount.

It can also be a double whammy for Walmart - if it's stolen (lost money), and they don't reorder because they think they have 20 boxes or so on hand, it's more lost money due to lost sales by not replenishing their stock.

BUT
I can point you to two stores on my checklist that currently show bulk ammo in stock - didn't have it way back when I went looking for it, I'm sure they still don't have it, yet it shows in stock.

BTW - I ran into a real buzz saw at one of those stores! The manager was grumbling and telling me how the ammo system works (which I already knew), as he was checking inventory on the sheet I gave him. Right in the middle of his rant, he stopped talking, and his eyebrows shot up!
Uh huh....
He said we're supposed to have 20 boxes of that - I gave him a second sheet, and he ran that code, and also showed in stock.

He whipped that walkie talkie off his belt and I could hear he and the gal at the ammo desk going back and forth - I expected her at any time to reply "hey, I found some" but it never happened (maybe someone was in too deep to fess up).

She came to the front desk, and I watched her and the manager go at it a while.
I got a lot of sound and fury, but no ammo!

BTW - Bentonville told me most of the stuff the ammo desk gal at this store told me was total BS (I already knew that).
One thing the ammo desk gal did tell me was "well, the truck may be late arriving - sometimes they're a day late".

I then asked "so it will be on the shelf at 7am tomorrow, eh?"
She replied, "not necessarily".

At this point I just threw up may hands and asked "are we making this stuff up as we go along?"

BTW II - Bentonville laughed when I told them this tale, and told me if it shows IN STOCK, it's on the premises. This stuff 'bout ammo showing in stock and still being on a truck somewhere on the road is BS.

I had to laugh, because the gal in Bentonville said "where is it - stuck in a snowstorm?"
I laughed, because that is the same thought that ran through my head (and I almost asked the store manager / ammo desk gal) that very question when I got the tale about the truck being a day late, but the ammo wouldn't necessarily be there the following day.
 
the fringe benefits of a low paying job I guess.

I agree.

I suspect managers may not care a whole lot because it is still be sold. Not like it is being stolen.

When I worked there about 12 years ago, the Managers didn't care about who bought the merchandise, as long as it was bought. The managers were getting merchandise before it hit the floor as well, especially around Christmas/Black Friday. It isnt illegal, maybe unethical to some, but like Merl said , a fringe benefit of being in the retail field.
 
...but for me, all that back and forth isn't worth the gas to go after some ammo.
You obviously don't know what a cheap SO...er, frugal person I am! :neener:

Gas being what it is, I keep a Word.doc on ye olde computer with a list of various cities in my X mile circle. When something happens, I check the sheet and usually make a day of it on an ammo run (use various free food e-mail coupons, visit gun shops / stores I've never been in or haven't visited for a while, etc).
I often bring back enough free / cheap food to stick in the fridge to last for the next week!

The car gets 37 MPG if I set the cruise on 55 (5th is not an overdrive gear), and some of my friends are paying me for gas when I bring them back ammo, so time is all I have invested, and retirement freed up a lot of that!

I do get a bit nervous 'bout all those folks that run up your (55 mph) bumper before realizing there is a passing lane.
 
The fringe benefits thing has me laughing. I guess it is true though.
I hear at McDonalds, they often will lick the salt off of some fries before throwing them into the bag when you order. :D Hey, it's a perk of the job. All the salt you can eat for free.
I guess that's better than when they use the restroom and don't wash their hands. It's not illegal to not wash your hands but it sure isn't nice of them to do so.....
 
Interesting findings and I appreciate you calling some of these store on what's going on. On the other hand I don't think anyone is too surprised at your discoveries, we all suspected this sort of grey-market, under-the-counter BS was going on at Walmart and the other big box stores. :(
 
I am using http://www.ammo-can.net/ as my source. It has yet to let me down. I check at night, if it is listed in green I hit "force check" and everything they have received shows up. It is usually put out early in the morning. Probably a three box limit. I have used this site for months and for me it works very well. I just left the store with 3 boxes of 325 ct. .22lr. $18.69/box. There were over ten boxes left and the clerk had sold twenty boxes before I got there. Be sure to leave some for someone else.
 
The fringe benefits thing has me laughing. I guess it is true though.
I hear at McDonalds, they often will lick the salt off of some fries before throwing them into the bag when you order. :D Hey, it's a perk of the job. All the salt you can eat for free.
I guess that's better than when they use the restroom and don't wash their hands. It's not illegal to not wash your hands but it sure isn't nice of them to do so.....

Dont know about anywhere else, but where I am from (TN) it is a Class C Felony to adulterate food (TCA 39-17-107 ) and employees of a food service establishment must wash their hands after using the restroom (Rule 1200-23-1-.02 7c)


We all know that everyone follows the rules and laws though, right? LoL.
 
Interesting site, but I'm assuming it's working off the same data that the Walmart site is. I see two types of 22 ammo listed that I know are not on the shelves of my local store, and have not been for some time.

I'll take the printout with me today and verify - if it's not on the shelf, I'll use the reporting feature to correct at the site you listed.

My normal Walmart procedure is:
1. Check what you're looking for ahead of time, so you will know the difference between false / missing / stolen inventory and when something trips their inventory system (like a truck arriving, and being unloaded at 4pm or later).

2. I check ammo @ Walmart's site multiple times a day, but it's probably a waste of time - all you need to do is check late at night before you go to bed.
If the inventory status has changed, it's a safe bet the truck arrived, and ammo has been taken off and entered into the store's inventory, locked in the warehouse cage, and should be put out @ 7am the next morning.
I leave a tab open on my browser at all times - it's on the 22LR Ammo Walmart page, and I hit refresh multiple times a day.

3. I know what 22 is in stock in around 20 Walmarts in my area (none, 'cept for the two previously reported erroneous bulk 22 listings).

4. When I show up, I no longer bother asking - I often just give them the sheet, and tell them your inventory tripped last night, so you should have some of this in stock (and be prepared to watch the fireworks fly)!

Procedures vary - one store I visited (that's a complete mess, and will not bother visiting again) acted like they had never heard of the 7am ammo rollout.
90% of the ones I've visited all state that's their policy.

Most stores have a 3-box a day limit, but I've been to one that had a 3-UPC code a day limit. Just so happens he got in 3 different types of 22 when I made the trip (based on inventory tripping the night before), so I did bring home 3 boxes. I'll probably not bother driving the 35 miles to that store again unless he happens to get 3 different UPC codes in at the same time again (and there are restaurants / gun shops in the town to visit).

YMMV, but this system has worked well for me.
This is assuming, of course, that you don't run into a local ammo cabal as I have on 20 to 30% of the stores I've visited.
 
Are you sure?

While I have little trouble with inventory trips / obtaining ammo AFA the bulk packs (harder to steal?), there are a number of stores that have incorrect inventory on the small stuff.
Easiest way I know of to screw the inventory up like that is the five-finger discount.

It can also be a double whammy for Walmart - if it's stolen (lost money), and they don't reorder because they think they have 20 boxes or so on hand, it's more lost money due to lost sales by not replenishing their stock.

BUT
I can point you to two stores on my checklist that currently show bulk ammo in stock - didn't have it way back when I went looking for it, I'm sure they still don't have it, yet it shows in stock.

BTW - I ran into a real buzz saw at one of those stores! The manager was grumbling and telling me how the ammo system works (which I already knew), as he was checking inventory on the sheet I gave him. Right in the middle of his rant, he stopped talking, and his eyebrows shot up!
Uh huh....
He said we're supposed to have 20 boxes of that - I gave him a second sheet, and he ran that code, and also showed in stock.

He whipped that walkie talkie off his belt and I could hear he and the gal at the ammo desk going back and forth - I expected her at any time to reply "hey, I found some" but it never happened (maybe someone was in too deep to fess up).

She came to the front desk, and I watched her and the manager go at it a while.
I got a lot of sound and fury, but no ammo!

BTW - Bentonville told me most of the stuff the ammo desk gal at this store told me was total BS (I already knew that).
One thing the ammo desk gal did tell me was "well, the truck may be late arriving - sometimes they're a day late".

I then asked "so it will be on the shelf at 7am tomorrow, eh?"
She replied, "not necessarily".

At this point I just threw up may hands and asked "are we making this stuff up as we go along?"

BTW II - Bentonville laughed when I told them this tale, and told me if it shows IN STOCK, it's on the premises. This stuff 'bout ammo showing in stock and still being on a truck somewhere on the road is BS.

I had to laugh, because the gal in Bentonville said "where is it - stuck in a snowstorm?"
I laughed, because that is the same thought that ran through my head (and I almost asked the store manager / ammo desk gal) that very question when I got the tale about the truck being a day late, but the ammo wouldn't necessarily be there the following day.
If it shows in stock and is not then there are serious problems. Possibly theft at the store level and if its a chain wide problem then you have market problems, 8k notices, Wells noticed and crashing stock values which is your worst case level. Probably justa store level problem that can grow into a serious PR problem.
 
Walmart's inventory control and shrinkage department 'folks do a great job, but even if they get their shrinkage to 3%, that amounts to over $14,000,000,000 loss in a year. Thats 14 BILLION dollars lost to shrinkage which includes theft
 
I had the same problems at Wal-Mart a couple of years ago concerning Wrangler jeans in my size being out of stock for months on end.
And it's not a size I would expect to be high on a shop lifters or shoppers list!

It seems the inventory system thought there were 6 pairs in stock, and simply refused to re-order anymore until those 6 pair were sold.

I talked to every store employee who would stand still long enough, to get them to correct the inventory so I could buy some new jeans.

Never happened until about a year later.


Then it happened again last year with my dogs favorite brand of dog treats.

The computer says they are in stock?
So no more will be ordered until someone will listen to you long enough to correct the inventory count.

I was beginning to wonder if the department & store managers get a red mark on their performance reviews for doing inventory corrections???

rc
 
You actually have a spread sheet on this? :)

The ammo may not be showing up on inventory because somebody is slipping the night guy 10$ to keep some back for him. Ive seen this...very recently too.
 
I was beginning to wonder if the department & store managers get a red mark on their performance reviews for doing inventory corrections???
I wondered the same thing due to their lack of interest in correcting the problem. Better to suffer losses from theft and lost sales than to have corporate put a blemish on your record!

As stated earlier, one store manager did call me - I steered her to the web page, she checked her inventory, and said she had 20 boxes on hand.
I told her oh no you did'unt!

Those are the missing 20 boxes I went looking for over 3 weeks ago, and no one could find-they've shown up on your web page for the last 3 weeks (I kept check).
She said she'd get on it, and within 2 hours, their online inventory had gone from in stock to out of stock.

BTW - if you see ammo in stock at Walmart, they should have more than 5 boxes on hand. Based on my research, it appears ammo goes from IN STOCK to LIMITED STOCK at the 5 box mark.

BTW II - some of the BS I've been told is also stuff like "well, the inventory system doesn't update 'til (insert various times here)", but on numerous occasions, I've bought ammo, immediately come home, and the inventory has updated. As such, I'm assuming the inventory updates as they ring you up at the register!
 
You actually have a spread sheet on this?
I do.

It's a homemade sheet - I put the day the inventory trips, the date it's put out (should be the day after the inventory trips), store, type of ammo, and have comments on the sheet based on any funny business I run across.

It also has other stuff like rounds per box, price, price per round, yadda yadda yadda.

It really helps when looking for patterns, and knowing (within a window) when stock should be arriving, based on historical deliveries.

Note this is for 22LR ammo at Walmarts only - I was stocked enough with everything else I shoot before shortages hit, but am late to the game AFA 22 - just got into it big time a few months ago.
 
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